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100NL J9s 3bet oop vs. Nit riverblockbet? 100NL J9s 3bet oop vs. Nit riverblockbet?

10-01-2010 , 11:25 AM
Villain is 12/6/3.7 Nit regular with 4% 3bet overall and 8% 3 bet on BTN over more than 800 hands
He has me on 20/15/4 with fold to 3bet about 65%...no big history so far.

How do you like my play overall ?
Ho do you play river?
riverblockbet? c/c, b/f?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($103)
BB ($98.80)
UTG ($121)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($140)
MP1 ($101)
Hero ($120)
CO ($57.15)
BTN ($116)

Dealt to Hero 9 J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, BTN raises to $8, fold, fold, Hero calls $5.50

FLOP ($17.50) T 9 8

Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

TURN ($41.50) T 9 8 4

Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

RIVER ($81.50) T 9 8 4 J

Hero ????
10-01-2010 , 11:37 AM
quits poker
10-01-2010 , 12:37 PM
You have like a 30% equity preflop vs an 8% 3b range..

I'd try a blocker bet of like $7 to get value from QQ/KK and fold to a raise
10-01-2010 , 12:41 PM
Hero???? clicks buttons
10-01-2010 , 12:49 PM
What's the point of the flop lead?
10-01-2010 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinK1
RIVER ($81.50) T 9 8 4 J
Quote:
Originally Posted by YannickB85
I'd try a blocker bet of like $7 to get value from QQ/KK and fold to a raise
What kind of value are we getting from QQ?
10-01-2010 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blaqeyez
What kind of value are we getting from QQ?
we are getting 100% negative value from QQ which is a thing of sheer beauty
10-01-2010 , 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hard2tel
What's the point of the flop lead?
To take some kind of control in this hand even oop. Is not a standard play but he has a hard time to raise me with only one pair hands there imo.
The 2nd point is I can barrel a lot of turn cards and still got to river with some equity.

- c/r on flop looks more like a draw to him I guess...
10-01-2010 , 09:36 PM
Just keep clicking buttons on the river.
10-01-2010 , 09:59 PM
Preflop I'm guessing you were just pressing buttons, flop too. You kind of poked a button on the turn and then why not just click a button again on the river.
10-01-2010 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ecciz
Just keep clicking buttons on the river.
<3
10-01-2010 , 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK1
The 2nd point is I can barrel a lot of turn cards and still got to river with some
double donk barreling scare cards in 3bet pot oop vs nit = profit
10-01-2010 , 11:20 PM
surely you can think of better hands to defend with.

4bet or FOLD pre mostly fold pre.

as played...i have no clue Im never in this spot, wtf are you doing here? Not trying to be a complete dick, just theres no way after thinking this through you cant figure out at least one spot you could have played better if not the mistakes you made on every street.

run a stove yourself. post it, if you still cant figure it out then ill consider helping.
10-02-2010 , 12:17 AM
lalalalala

fold pre

minbet/call river
10-02-2010 , 01:07 AM
Unleash the blitzkraken
10-02-2010 , 05:23 AM
I know your standard comments HAVE to be to fold pre becuase its against all your pokermindset to call 3bets oop versus a very strong range.
To be honest it would wondering me if you guys say: ok you made a preflop mistake but you know what **** this you can outplay this bad NIT postflop on somekind of flops...

No no You have to be politic correct in every 3bet pot oop!
I can understand your very strong +EV thinking.

So let me say this: I know I am calling oop , I know I am behind most of the time
BUT I know also I am playing against a face-up range and I belive to have a postflop edge against a 12/6 NIT.
Let me say this: I am calling 5,5$ preflop to see a flop But also knowing what to do.
His 3bet range is JJ+ and AQs+
So I know I am way behind of his range with my crapy hand BUT If I hit I can win alot of money so I have huge implied odds with my J9s.

Postflop I chose a not standard line and lead out flop and turn to scary him a little bit and it works becuase I got to the river and improved there. I chose the price for me to get to the river oop!
That why I belive I have a postflop edge.

I was not sure what to do on the river to be honest I know I am still beating AA,KK, AK with A or K in clubs.
So I checked the river to call a bet but he checked behind and mucks (AA).

So end of story. I called 5,5$ pre with a very marginal hand but to win more than 1/2 stack (if I would play the river better...)

Last edited by MartinK1; 10-02-2010 at 05:32 AM.
10-02-2010 , 05:51 AM
10-02-2010 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinK1
gibberish
can you do a COTW on calling 3bets OOP? no, seriously, I think it would be awesome and good for the games.
10-02-2010 , 09:50 AM
lol i always wanted to know the thought process of ppl when they took this line thanks op
10-02-2010 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ponder
lol i always wanted to know the thought process of ppl when they took this line thanks op
My no-standard line was actually not perfect to be honest. I was not blockbetting the river and lost some value there to make my play really protitable in this spot with my marginal holding.
Buts thats my mistake I can learn from there and improve.
10-02-2010 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tomrh3
can you do a COTW on calling 3bets OOP? no, seriously, I think it would be awesome and good for the games.
Nah sorry I am not qualify to make a COTW to be honest with you.
Only thing I can show you is a short graph over a small sample size.
I started with a new acconut on another site.
Just a new beginning from zero and I am very happy so far and its going very well but I still have a lot of nonbeliver and haters who still think I am big joke and troll.
But thats ok.
I am always going my way.....




I feel I can beat the game even with my not perfect mindset yet but I want improve, I want learn.
Thats is a really small step for me and my improvement.
I am not a bonus whore who is grinding 24 tables 8h-10 h a day. I will never be that guy. I am just playing 4-5 tables at once 2h-3h a day and thats is.
The rest of the day is study and I want really improve my game.
I want change bad things and want show improvment.

If I can show a graph like this over 100k, 200k hands than I can think about to give somethings back to the comunity but now I am still a big fish who knows its a loooong way to go...

Last edited by MartinK1; 10-02-2010 at 10:42 AM.
10-02-2010 , 10:41 AM
i dont like yer line at all but i do like your giraffe, and the fact that you are really trying to think of ways to exploit others.
10-02-2010 , 10:43 AM
Wow what is this new site? I could make millions!
10-02-2010 , 10:48 AM
ur martink or ur nub, thats life
10-02-2010 , 11:01 AM
i like how in everyone of your threads you post a brag giraff to justify your play.

      
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