My idea here is that villain being a pretty standard TAG player playing 17/17/11 is often raising late pos here.

I don't want to call oop with this holding so 3 bet or fold it is.

On this flop when he 3x raises me my thought is he is putting me on high cards, AQ, AK and the likes and taking a stand when the flop comes unfavourable for my range.

I figure I'll be able to take the pot on most turns below 10 as well as any K or J obviously.

When he fires again my raise is supposed to look like a commitment, (which in all aspects it also is) but my idea is to get away if shoved on.

in the end I got into the thought that my K high could be good, so much in the middle etc.

Object of the thread is not this final all in call, but wether the idea of bluff raising the turn is a total fish-off on my part. (be gentle ok?)

fold everywhere

Good Lord.

when i look at each individual action of yours, i can see at least some kind of logic behind them all.

then i take a step back, look at the entire hand and think, "what the **** just happened?"

this is what's known at 100nl as a completely avoidable and unnecessary donation of a buy-in.

standard hand is standard

also: fix your sizing.

what's your SN?

What about this hand strikes you as standard?


You shouldn't want to call OR 3 bet.

If the first part is true, he most likely has a set or high pair. You may want to re-evaluate how many "outs" you have to bluff at here.

I'll leave the river alone, as you said you weren't looking for feedback on that part of the hand.

As others have said, this fiasco of a hand was completely avoidable. It seems as though you're trying to apply levels of thinking that simply aren't applicable to 100NL, and even if they were, you're applying them very wrong. Your sizing otf alone shows this.

It's always good to try start taking your game beyond the basics, but you have to do it slowly and shouldn't attempt to do so until you have a sound grasp of what you're trying to accomplish. Slow down, play more "ABC"-ish poker, and start slowly implementing the trickier elements into your play.

Op, you've definitely over analysed the hand not just for 100nl but probably any level of poker. Just take a step back, for 1 thing most of the big winners at 100nl are big winners because they do not suffer fancy play syndrome. Playing solid and making as few mistakes as possible is the key to beating small stakes, you don't really need to worry about levelling wars.

You'd 3bet a 17/17/11 tag oop with KJo? I pretty much insta-fold here. Granted btn min-raised, but against a lot of opponents that would make me even more wary of being up against a big hand. Against some v's I might call, but 3betting here and ending up with an SPR of 8 or 9 w/ KJo doesn't sound very attractive to me.

Aye, oops I meant the call on the turn.

Definitely didn't mean to come off as overly patronizing, I like that OP was trying to think about the hand so deeply. I just don't think he has a solid enough grasp of why he's doing what he's doing. I didn't reply to jump on OP, just thought I'd try to give a constructive opinion since he had mostly gotten one-line responses thus far.

Hi,

Thanks for all response, also the harsh one-liners we all love!



Anyways as it turned out villain had pocket 6's, thats in the line of my reasoning.
So in retrospect, my decision to run a bluff vs a probable weak range of villain was maybe not too far off?

So any turn that comes except a 6 (assuming we dont put 58 or 35 in his range) get's the bluff through in most likelyhood.
So he hit's a two outer on the turn, but when I first decide to go for the bluff and all the way thinking I'll fold if raised on the turn it is off course a total brainmelt that I got stubborn and got it in.

So my bluff is maybe +ev if considering the fact that he will fold his AK-AJ's, his low pp's that doesn't connect and his pure airs.
The all in call is off course total donk -ev brainmeltdown, but i will be first to admit I am studying the game, and I still do donk moves, but they have to go sooner or later!

Calling all in with K high for value huh? Donk doesnt come to mind. A much more harsh word does

nice play, unfortunate he turned the nuts.

King high>7s full. imo

like i wrote in oop the brainmelt call here is not this threads purpose, but thanks for calling this out. :-)

kamikaze indeed

Kamikaze-BERG,

have you ever met MartinK1979? you two would get along awesome.