Villain is your std 15/12/2AF, 3%
Folds to flop c-bet 0% out of 4, this is over 243 hands

Firstly, i know just c/f flop or c-bet/fold, got it thanks. But how does he honestly call here with what I put him on (1010/JJ) given he has a static 3b range and he's what I thought a TAG player who prob reads these forums generally should do with that range??

I run a big more LAG, i don't have huge F-bet / T-cbet stats and generally never do this. Is this just burning money b/c I swear I have AA/KK here all day and bet these same amounts and get these same TAG players to fold their JJ/1010 by the river on these dry boards all day long.

I know spew spew spew

I was thinking I should bet more OTT b/c he's prob not happy calling like a 3/4 PSB but that just makes a river call easier for him obviously so not sure what best bet sizes are.


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $254.15
CO: $74.85
BTN: $136.20
SB: $118.60
BB: $41.25
UTG: $61.15
UTG+1: $100.00
UTG+2: $163.05
Hero (MP1): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with Q A
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BTN calls $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $4

Flop: ($21.50) 4 4 9 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13, BB folds, UTG+2 folds

Turn: ($47.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $27, BTN calls $27

River: ($101.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $55 all in, BTN calls $55

Final Pot: $211.50
BTN shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
Hero shows Q A (a pair of Fours)
BTN wins $208.50
(Rake: $3.00)

Perhaps more importantly than what his stats were...what were yours?

dont think anyone knows/cares what you do with aa/kk. i think its more important to know if villain is a station or not.

that being said. i dont think its that bad to fire 3 here (certainly better than firing 1)

i think his call-down is kinda bad unless he's seen you do this before. unless you're bluffing your range crushes his.

that said, i just wanna c/f flop. ur gonna have to fire multiple barrels to get guys off hands like that, and as evident by the hand, they mostly aren't gonna want to fold them anyway. even though you can range them fairly accurately, they won't always do what you want/expect with that range. 3 barrels>>>>1/2 barrels here tho, so it's not all bad. i thnk the main thing here is your sample size on him. it's way too small to be able to predict that he can give you a range and react to it accordingly. so in this sense your line is spew, and c/f flop is far superior to your line.

good spot to fire 3 barrels, although I think your bet sizes are a little too big on the flop and turn for such a board texture in a multiway pot.

Yeah if you're planning to fire 3 barrels I think it's better to size it such that your giving him close to 2:1 on the river. When he calls your turn bet there I can't see him ever folding to a river bet with any of his range.

hmmm, 3 barrel is good if the board was not paired [and you were deeper]. there are a few 4s in his range and almost none in yours. so with AA/KK you, probably, would not go for 3 streets... if he understands that and is good, that could be the reason for calling

.or he is just a station... or your image is too loose for bluffing....

PS>> bluffing turn and river with half pot bets sucks

except its easy to have air, and the turn/riv are total blanks so you have your preflop hand UI basically always

100bbs I don't like the bet sizes, if you were deeper and had more to shove on the river I think this would be fine.

then the villian has a massive leak

I mean are you guys all really never folding rivers getting 3/1

this is really dependent on your image. with a clean image and a little more money behind for the river barrel i think this is fine, but stacks are not good for it here imo.

also 4 way with no BDFD i'd probably give up OTF.

bs... I think for me, THIS is the frustrating part of Rush. I don't think I have ever seen anyone fold rivers getting 3/1 holding TP/OP.

ofc, I never have a hand either.......

[ ] have a large enuf Rush sample size to know absolutes

LAG probably means image is a bit loose and this is a board stations usually call on. I think your image plus his lack of folding (only 4 times but it is evidence) makes this a bad time to barrel. Normally a villain with the ability to fold this is good board to barrel. Sorry but I'm speaking from experience on this one. Harrington=paired boards good to bluff against right oppenent, stop if calls multiple streets.

Putting villains on a strong range and trying to get them to fold is never gonna work out that well unless the villain is a confirmed NIT and/or has at least some weaker hands in his range.

1/3 pot, 1/3 pot, shove.