I think it would be a lot different in terms of their would be more of a uproar for a Soccer perspective in the UK anyway.

Recently some teams tried to create some sort of break away league for the Elite teams in Europe getting themselves out of their domestic leagues, From what I gathered the actual players and managers were totally against it happening. For me it's was a crap idea with lack of thought and competition as there was relegation or promotion. It was the one time that actual fans of every club united together and showed how they were against the idea.

Not sure if it's just me but I don't really root for anyone in golf like I don't really have favourite player or anything and I'm sure many others are like me with this thought. Where as in football I support a team and have done for 20+ Years now. It's more of a culture thing in the UK so you tend to care more about football.

I think a few years ago the Chinese league offered players huge amounts of money to go over and player, A few decent players went over to play from Europe but no one super major.


Newcastle football club was recently bought out by the Saudi's, I don't think there was much uproar from their own fabs it was a little different though, Their club has had a **** owner for years and they were desperately trying to get him out of the club for many many years. So I think the fans would of taken anyone at that point.

wtf. Norman lurking in the background like an SS officer

SMH

But your OK with the President of the USA doing it and every corporation out there? yet you want a pro golfer to stand up for the injustice going on

With LIV, it's pretty much impossible to keep politics out of it.

And there is some truth to what someone posted above, the actions of the PGA Tour and its partners in the media are definitely about money. But sometimes financial interests line up with 'principles' and you can have people and entities who are motivated by one, the other or both.

('principles' in this case may be actual beliefs or they may just be politics, who knows)

Bryson officially joins

Surely Brooks will follow suit soon.

From everything he has spoke of in the past this seems to be ideal for him. Assuming he can still play Majors.

1 of the negatives I just realized about the shotgun starts is when someone goes out early Sunday and posts a 4 shot lead and you get to watch the top 10-15 guys try and chase down that score. No late comebacks will be a bummer

Does that ever happen

Maybe. I saw it in a movie once

Am/pm tee times don't make sense from an entertainment stand point at all when you think about it. Who's wants to tune in to watch their favorite player just to realize he was off at 7:52 am barely any spectators were there and you just get to see a few highlights.

I think regular events should be shot gun start. Majors stay the same.

doesn't solve anything we you take into account a regular PGA Tour event has 156 golfers.

edit to add: shotgun starts on Thur and Fri doesn't even allow you to get through the entire field with the typical 5 hour rounds we see today.

A big golf fan would know it's Wyndham Clark and would have no issue picking him out of a lineup. I'd love to see how many of the 48 LIV players this week you could pick out of a lineup, I would certainly fail on quite a few.


Let's do some ciphering on this. 156 players so 78 in each wave, 26 threesomes in each wave. 8 holes will have two groups to start on it. Those starting on holes 1,2,9,10,11,18 can easily walk to their position, that leaves 12 holes where you have to have motorized transportation to get them in place. So transportation for roughly 17 groups. A group has a bare minimum of 8 people, 3 players, 3 caddies, 1 scorer, 1 standard bearer. 17 times 8 is 136 people.

So you have to have an awful lot of volunteers to transport 136 people onto the golf course at the same time. Then transport them off. Then repeat this process with a second wave. Good luck with that.

But then consider how long it takes to get people into position. For a SG start at 8am, let's figure 10 minutes actual transport time. You always want to arrive 10 minutes before tee time. And now let's assume you're in the second group off a particular hole. That's a minimum of 30 minutes since you've hit your last warmup shot, more than enough time to stiffen up.

However let's not forget range space. How many ranges do you know of that can accommodate 78 golfers simultaneously? I've been on a PGA Tour range after a weather delay and it's a **** show with everybody fighting for space and nobody happy.

I could go on but let's just say SG starts on tour aren't going to happen. SG starts are great for corporate shindigs or drunkfest scrambles, but not on the top golf tour in the world.

The issue I am having isn't necessarily with the Saudis but the flat out lying by some of the players. Both DJ and Bryson publicly declared their loyalty to the PGA Tour and then jumped ship. **** 'em.

I've no issue with the guys like Matt Jones who are admitting they are doing it for the money and the fact they can be with their families many more weeks during the year. I'm not saying I agree with their decision, but at least they aren't being two-faced pricks about it.

Everybody has a price.

excellent points regarding LIV ntnBO.

also, i overlooked the range and putting green issue with regards to a SG start. good point there was well.

WTF are you? Believing the LIV will outlast the PGA is some beyond hot take.

Plus thanks for the Larry David compliment. I'm pretty stoked about that. ufm

Also since your little pea didn't catch it, the "humans" after "nut low" was inferred.

Golf Channel just now had a 30 minute Golf Central sandwiched between their coverage of the RBC Canadian Open and the Champions senior event. no mention whatsoever of LIV. love it!

now we need ANGC to drop the hammer. the Athletic said a statement from them could be coming sooner rather than later. would be sweet for the suits at ANGC to drop the hammer on anyone that tees it up for a LIV event announcing that such players aren't welcome and won't be eligible for invites to the Masters in the future (to include past champions).

Charl Schwartzel has not been relevant in years, currently ranked #126 in the world. On pace to win a cool $4million for beating a joke field in an exhibition. What a world.

And some guy named Hennie du Plessis is on pace to win $2.1 million for coming in 2nd - or $500k more than the eventual winner of the RBC.

Yeah something tells me more guys will be jumping ship soon.

found on the PGA website



based on the pic i bet it's really good advice

Say what you want about this tour, but I am entertained.

The legalities must be interesting. Virtually all the leagues that combined over the years started out with the Big Boy mocking and discounting, even trying to extinguish, the upstarts. Seems here the PGA, though I know it is privately contracted, is trying the classic monopoly move. Can they banish European Tour players simply for playing it? Can they banish LIV Tour players for simply playing it? For what "infractions" is the PGA legally allowed to ban players? I bet we'll find out a lot more about that legalistically than the PGA Tour is assuming right now. We don't want you if you play for Arabians isn't too far from we don't want you if you are black, gay, not the right religion. Where does human rights fall on this? The fact that a competing tour sprung up and some want to play is not a criminal offense. It does not cancel your human rights. If the LIV Tour has staying power, the PGA will have to change its archaic, megalomaniac position ... it seems very likely to me.

It kind of seems like the Jerks and Arseholes line up so far, plus a few washed ups and hangers on. But it's just getting started.

If this LIV thing lasts, the next few majors could be cool. There will be a natural tendency for the media to tag players as LIV players or PGA loyalists, and there is going to be some "us vrs them" stuff going on, with all the soap opera stuff that comes with it.

Pressers could be great.. There are already personalities on both sides who won't be able to bite their tongue when things get a bit heated.

They should eventually do a Ryder Cup style event between the 2 tours, they could call it the "Super Cup".

Charl takes home 4.75 million for 54 holes of golf.

Oosty drafted well, his 3 picks finished 1,2,3.

Peter Uihlein (casual golf fans go who is that?) collects 1.65 million by my count for a T3 individual and 2nd place team finish.

I think Phil shot his self believed IQ.

My question now is, with at least Bryson and Reed playing in Portland, which players from this event get left out? I’d be curious to know the methodology going forward on who gets guaranteed spots and who gets the shaft.