I am actually very interested in getting a hold of the new B330 line Bridgestone unveiled. Looks like a big improvement to already pretty decent golf balls.

http://www.mygolfspy.com/2016-b330-series-bestballever/

I game the e6 just for price reasons but I would be interested to try the ball out if I ever were to find some. A couple of rounds I played a ProV1X and it really is amazing how much spin you can get. Add new wedges and the chips and pitches really stop fast.

If I only had infinite $$$...

I am with you. I get mine used from lostgolfballs. Mint 330's go for $1.25-1.50 a ball and 2nd quality for a $1 or so. They sell mostly recycled so none of the refinished crap. 90% of the mint ones you can't even tell it is used.

You should try noodle long and soft for a budget ball if you want new. Best sub $1 ball I have hit

Question for the NXT/golfdoc types: assuming an average pro with normal swing speeds, what club has more hangtime, a 3 iron or a wedge?

This is provably the same question but I'll ask it anyway, what club reaches a higher apex? Is it close? Specific numbers would be appreciated but general is fine too.

Last question, does a driver go higher, and have greater hangtime than either of them, or any other club in the bag?

Not sure on hang time but the rest is in here.

http://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackma...ge-tour-stats/

http://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackma...ge-tour-stats/

I think in theory the max height should all be the same, and the variance that's in the data is "mi****s" essentially.

Believe the same holds true for hang time as well.

In other news, I got a full bag fitting at Club Champion last week. Total tab for recommended clubs:

Thanks for the link guys. Looks like the 3-iron goes slightly lower than a PW, but could the hangtime numbers be altered by the fact that the launch angle for the 3-iron is lower, and therefore it takes longer to reach it's max height?

My limited physics knowledge tells me that they will both fall from their apex at the same rate (9.8 m/s^2), but do they both achieve their apex in the same amount of time? The disparate launch angles make me think it's possible the answer is no.

I'd imagine spin/lift/drag are some major factors in your answers. It's definitely not a frictionless environment. I'm just sayin'. I'm not adding anything useful to the answer because I don't know.

Platinum plated?

Well ****. I'm going for a full bag fitting on Saturday and my goal is to spend half that. Will it even be possible?

Probably not from them.

I just got a new set of the TaylorMade PSI Tours as well as an M1 19* hybrid. Awesome clubs, hottest hybrid I've ever hit and it has a great feel.

New TaylorMade Tour Preferred X ball is quite awesome as well, feel like people sleep on this ball a good bit. I hit the ball really high and it performs a bit better on irons than the Pro V1X for me.

Also YB is right most clubs apex is roughly the same. If I had to guess I would say that linger clubs have more hang time.

Should I just cancel the fitting or will I be able to apply these numbers to cheaper stuff?

I know absolutely nothing about shafts. If I find the best options for clubheads, but use stock shafts in everything but my driver and fairway wood how much will I be giving up? Should I just ask them to fit me for stock models of irons only? They allegedly don't charge you for the club build and just charge regular MSRP for the components. I'm hoping to come out with 13 fully usable clubs (probably will keep my putter) for no more than $2400.

If they do fit me for something like a Ping G30 driver I am more than comfortable waiting 2 months until the price comes down by >$100 due to newly released stuff.

I've never been to a Club Champion but I would assume where they try to upsell you hard is on high end shafts. The clubheads themselves are not that expensive.

Shafts are over rated for the most part IMO. I can recall talking with dagolfdoc one day after he played with one of the top guys at Fujikura who ended up telling him that once you have weight and flex in the right ball park all of the other stuff is mostly noise. I've also heard similar musings from the CTO for TaylorMade about how it's really difficult to alter ball flight characteristics within shafts that have similar flexes. Shafts really come down to feel for most players, if it feels good when you swing it and it's in the ballpark for weight and flex then it will be all good.

Off the top of my head I can't imagine it being necessary to go over the following budget:
Driver: $500-600
3wd: <$300
Hybrid: <$250
4-PW: <$1050 ($150/club)
Wedges: <$400 ($135/club)

That's like $2600 and like the MAX I could imagine spending.

CDL aren't you in the ATL? I'm not sure what sort of fitting options dagolfdoc currently has with regards to clubs to try but if you want some contact info for him I'd be glad to give it to you.

yea I am and that would be great. I tried to PM him a month or so ago, but never heard back and it looked like he had been inactive for months. Do you think he would mind me sending him and email or whatever? I'd be happy to get fit through him if it was a similar cost as that was something I considered initially as well.

This thread was basically what convinced me that it was valuable to get fit. I am playing with irons that are 13 years old and a ping G10 driver and 3 wood plus mismatched wedges that are ~10 years old so I can only go up on equipment. All are off the rack as well so anything specific is likely to be better for me.

It will definitely improve your game some if you are playing with technology that is dated and not fit for you.

I pm'd you his email address, just send him a message and I'm sure he will help you out as best he can.

In the irons I would agree that flex and weight are about all you need to decide. Once you get there you can try everything and pick what you like best. When you get to a driver you can add in kick points as well.

Def get fitted one way or the other. When I get my next set I am going to the Marriott Golf Institute in Orlando as they have a top 100 fitter. I know with them you don't get any $ off of the clubs by ordering through them so I guess them making more $ isn't a motivation????

CDL, responded to your PM before I checked thread, but posting here too since it's a topic people have interest in.

I'm a big fan of PING grips.

Turnberry's hosted some classics. Disappointed to see these actions from the R&A. Before they go and do something dumb like this, they should look at what Trump has actually said.

head to oahu and play ko'olau!

I did my fitting today and am not sure how to interpret the data. The guy seemed confident before the fitting that with the right technology I would pick up 2 clubs, but came down on this as we did the fitting by saying I probably can't gain a ton of yardage because I swing so hard and the people who pickup the most yardage usually have slower swing speeds and just get better fits for that (this sounds counter-intuitive to me as I would think the harder you swing the more you'd gain on properly fit stuff).

One thing of note is I do have a quick takeaway and a very quick transition.

My irons are 13 years old and regular flex and apparently that is very very wrong for me, but the dispersion was tighter with my irons and I didn't pick up more than 1-2 yards with any othe combos of irons or heads I hit. He said I needed to be in a extra stiff flex given my 6 iron swing speed of ~100 and that didn't feel too stiff or anything, but it did leave me with worse results. Does it seem right that I should go to extra stiff with swing speeds around there? What about the fact that the dispersion came out worse?

Swing speed with my driver was ~118. He told me I didn't have many shaft options at my swing speeds. Does that seem true? Based on what I read online and general reviews for fittings made it sound like there were hundreds of shafts that could be worth trying for a mediocre golfer (which is exactly what I am with a 12 hdcp), but there were literally only 5 iron shafts and 5 driver/3 wood shafts that he said would be possible fits for me.

If I was playing with shafts that are that incorrect for me why would my dispersion be getting wider with the "correct" shafts? Some of the shafts I tried felt a lot better, but unless the trackman was wrong they weren't going further or more consistent. Also, when I tried the extra stiff shafts in the driver my clubhead speed dropped 2-4 mph. I was getting pretty tired by that point, but is that a cause for concern?

Also, the trackman didn't pick up a lot of shots which seemed weird. There were also at least 6-7 drivers I hit square with swing speeds of 115-118 and a smash factor of 1.4 to 1.45 and the trackman said they only went 240-255. The guy said that it had to be wrong, but thats the data it spit out. How likely is it that the trackman spits out a bad distance? FWIW, 250 would be a definite mis**** for me with my current club (G10) so it seems like it could be wrong, but I don't want to think I'm above the software.

He kept repeating that I was an unusual person to fit because my swing speeds are closer to tour standards than the average golfer and there is just a lot less product out there in that arena. Does that make sense or ring true to you guys?

Another point he made wrt dispersion is that given I have had my driver and 3 wood for 10 years and irons for 13 years is that I have probably made tweaks in my swing to account for technology that is a mismatch for my swing. He said that might make the benefits of new clubs take a little longer to show, but they should be long term better.

What I got fit for was Mizuno JPX-850 Forged Irons with Modus Tour 120 Extra Stiff shafts, 9* G30 driver and 3 wood with Diamana B-Series (US) 70 Extra Stiff shaft. Unfortunately they had like 60 right handed wedges and 6 left handed ones (3 of which were 60*) so I couldn't find wedges and plan to hit some at some big box stores and they said if I find ones I like I can then have them order them and put in the proper shafts. I was pretty disappointed with the wedge and putter selection for lefties. The amount of product they had for both was legitimately ~10% of the right handed stuff.

I know nothing about equipment so am trying to figure this out without much knowledge on my own.

118 would normally get an xstiff but it isn't that cut and dry. Depends on your tempo and how you load the shaft ect. Were you using trackman inside or was it tracking the ball down range. My understanding is indoors you can't get errors but not 100% sure or anything. As for not many choices in shafts I am not sure, normally places won't have many in stock. Half the stuff I am not sure on though, someone on here will probably know better.

Don't have a ton of time but those driver distances can't be right unless your launch conditions are awful and even then I don't think you could get those numbers at your speed.

I was on a TrackMan outside at the TaylorMade Kingdom last month and my driver swing speed is ~110 with good smash, +3 AoA, 14* launch, and 2400 RPMs of spin. My carry numbers are between 270 and 280

A 118 speed driver is for sure an extra stiff flex speed. I am not exactly sure on iron speeds. With you hitting 116-118 with the driver I would expect to see a lot longer drives but there could be multiple reasons. Was that just carry? What were the wind conditions set at? Also, most importantly, what was your spin rate with the driver? If your rpm is up there (3000+) that could be the reason for distance loss.

With what he fit you for irons I think that is a good fit for you. I'm not so sure on the shafts for the irons though.

Honestly I would ask for another fitter there, and they better give it to you for free.