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04-30-2015 , 09:33 PM

#1251

BreakYaNeck

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Id assume so

04-30-2015 , 09:38 PM

#1252

Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by whosnext

Money and Fed Ex points are at stake even in those matches (for what that is worth).

So the guy who goes 2-0 and clinches R16 is paid more if he goes 3-0 compared to 2-1? I'm missing something then.

04-30-2015 , 09:51 PM

#1253

whosnext

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No it's the other guy. He gets more money and fed ex points if he wins that match.

04-30-2015 , 10:19 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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Difference in FedEx Cup points for going 1-2 instead of 0-3 is likely to be like, 5 though

04-30-2015 , 10:22 PM

#1255

whosnext

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I am by no means defending or admitting the importance of these "meaningless" matches. I guarantee they will get virtually no tv time tomorrow (which is fair).

04-30-2015 , 10:42 PM

#1256

Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by whosnext

No it's the other guy. He gets more money and fed ex points if he wins that match.

Ok, meaningless for one guy -> meaningless enough IMO.

04-30-2015 , 11:58 PM

#1257

pgjcbsn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

It can't be a good format if you are asking players to play meaningless 18 hole matches.

Only 2 of the 16 groups have meaningless matches. The other 14 have some dynamite match ups. I'd say that makes for some exciting golf.

05-01-2015 , 12:44 AM

#1258

tzwien

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

If they don't want to actually do match play they could always do stroke play. This format seems ******ed.

That's why I said it's AIDS. Pick one or the other. The reason match play was cool was because it's lol variance and it's only once a year. Now the first rounds with the groups are unwatchable because who cares? It'd be like watching UCLA play Purdue in a best of 3 series in the round of 64 for March Madness. The only reason those ****ty games are exciting is because of single elimination.

If the tour doesn't want the variance and risk of losing their big names before the weekend then just play a ****ing stroke play event.

AIDS gonna AIDS

05-01-2015 , 01:32 AM

#1259

Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by pgjcbsn

Only 2 of the 16 groups have meaningless matches. The other 14 have some dynamite match ups. I'd say that makes for some exciting golf.

So play those matches and skip the other 2. I don't see the point of asking a professional to play a match that has no benefit. What if the player gets hurt? I don't mean to make a big deal but it does not seem right.

It's like asking the home team in baseball to play out bottom of 9th when they are ahead.

05-01-2015 , 02:18 AM

#1260

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Your complaining about the format and all I'm saying is there are a lot of interesting scenarios going to play out on Friday.

Is stroke play any better? Plenty of guys that have no chance of winning still go out and play the round to pick up thier check.

05-01-2015 , 02:30 AM

#1261

tzwien

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Is there any incentive for them to even play? Why not just forfeit?

05-01-2015 , 03:38 AM

#1262

pgjcbsn

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Maybe Fowler doesn't like McDowell and he doesn't want him getting those extra FedEx cup points at his expense. Those points could conceivably knock Fowler out of the tour championship down the road.

05-01-2015 , 09:33 AM

#1263

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tzwien

Is there any incentive for them to even play? Why not just forfeit?

why don't all the guys that can't make the cut just WD every week?

05-01-2015 , 12:06 PM

#1264

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

So play those matches and skip the other 2. I don't see the point of asking a professional to play a match that has no benefit. What if the player gets hurt? I don't mean to make a big deal but it does not seem right.

It's like asking the home team in baseball to play out bottom of 9th when they are ahead.

If two NFL teams are out of playoff contention and their draft spots cemented, should they cancel their match-up in Week 17 due to injury risk?

FWIW: I see your point but don't necessarily agree with it. Golf is a game where a player can build up momentum, even in a game that "doesn't matter." You could face a shot you've feared and pull it off in competition. The execution of that shot could be a source for a shot the same golfer may face in the US Open or need in the final round of the John Deere. Sometimes it only takes one swing for everything to "click."

05-01-2015 , 04:26 PM

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ArcticKnight

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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight

This is stupid for so many reasons, but the obvious one is no matter how they slope it will favour players with certain preferred shot shapes and penalize others. Not to mention lefties versus righties.

I mean what is the rationale. "We were curious whether lefties like a ball below their feet more/less than a righty likes a ball above his feet?

"So, we thought it would be fair if the lefties could let out some shaft, and the righties could choke-up a little..."

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Originally Posted by Your Boss

It's fine to dislike the idea, but this isn't a good reason imo.

Every hole favors certain types of players. This is just another variable in that equation.

But it is not a random variable. If you have a dogleg right it does not favour lefties or righties. It favours a fading righty and a drawing lefty, but that is the nature of golf. Nobody can claim that hole shape hurts lefties over righties or vice-versa, as ever golfer either prefers to fade or draw their shots.

It is harder for a pro to hit a ball above his feet than below his feet, so incorporating a slope does in fact does penalize lefties or righties (depending on which way it slopes). As such, it is not a random variable, but a planned and known advantage to one or the other (lefty or righty).

05-01-2015 , 05:02 PM

#1266

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

why don't all the guys that can't make the cut just WD every week?

Many do.

05-01-2015 , 05:08 PM

#1267

Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy

It would be difficult to create a league schedule to avoid meaningless games. That could be easily avoided in an elimination structure.

I would prefer a professional's opinion on their best use if time and resources. I doubt is participating in an exhibition match with no compensation.

05-01-2015 , 06:08 PM

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You could offer bonus money for each win to avoid douche bags like Poulter complaining because they can't win one of their first two matches. Is this not a thing? Golfers truly are the best at complaining about such miniscule things.

Win and the "problem" solves itself. Of course Ian always has the choice of not playing if it chaps his ass that badly. Better yet concede the first 10 holes and go home. He'd look no more like the bitch he already is but it solves his gripe.

05-01-2015 , 06:36 PM

#1269

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You could also not institute an AIDS format, seems to be the best solution.

05-01-2015 , 07:49 PM

#1270

2OutsNoProb

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This format may provide for better results than the previous format did, which led to relatively few glamorous Final 4 and Championship matchups.

05-01-2015 , 08:12 PM

#1271

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How dare the WGC try to better identify the best golfer!

Ludicrous!

05-01-2015 , 08:14 PM

#1272

whosnext

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I think that answers the question!

05-01-2015 , 08:25 PM

#1273

sharkstevie

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No posts about Keegan Jimenez incident lol? Highlight of the tournament

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05-01-2015 , 08:32 PM

#1274

nih han

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkstevie

No posts about Keegan Jimenez incident lol? Highlight of the tournament

jimenez might have said something out of line but visually keegan looked like the one heated. jimenez seemed calm. doesnt look good on keegans part. not surprised really

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