I've really got no idea. I don't even think most people in the Chinese government have any idea. If they are relying purely on Guanxi I'd say that they are much less likely to get busted for anything than if they are making large amounts of money off of bribes. If they are connected enough to not need bribes then they probably have a lot of legitimate sources of income as well.

Both of my examples are real ones, and in the case of the brothel especially I doubt anything could ever happen. The military guys are the most protected in China. The card room is very protected as well. In the rare event the guy's childhood friend got removed from government I'd have to assume there's a ton of people higher up on the list to get busted than the runner of the card room. Also the runner would immediately shut down his room.

FWIW in Shenzhen there was an entire area that was giving bribes to a guy to ensure that the police never busted their games. The guy got busted for corruption and the next day none of the games would run, there were at least 5 running at the time. Once again I think if someone gets busted for corruption that poker games are going to be pretty far down the list of people who take the fall with the main guy.

The thing you need to worry about is something like the prostitution deal in Dongguan. They made it on the news and all of a sudden examples had to be made. The guys in the third tier were protected, it was the guys giving the bribes who got busted and thrown in jail. I imagine they worked their way from the bottom up too, the people giving the largest bribes were probably fine but there was a cut off point where everyone who was giving below a certain amount got ****ed even though they'd been paying their bribes for years.

If you ever get busted at a poker game it would be due to a situation like that, an example needs to be made re gambling and the people giving the lowest bribes get busted.

I got busted in a poker game in Chengdu once a few years back together with ~30 Chinese guys or so. The police came in with guns pointed at us and we had to put our heads on the tables with hands behind our heads and couldn't speak. Everyone in line to get to the station in police vans. For some reason none of the Chinese regs seemed to be worried at all. They said they couldn't do us anything. Which after 4 hours of interrogating everyone seemed to be true. They even got a translator for me, I just said I heard about playing cards in Chengdu at a football game and had no idea it was considered gambling and illegal and it was my first time and I'm just a dumb foreigner and I'm so sorry and I love your country.

The room was closed for little over a month and then suddenly opened again and it was business as usual again.

During the Dongguan thing a few years ago, the head police chief and the mayor I believe were removed from their positions and thrown in jail.

My opinion on the matter is that it is not worth the risk to play in these semi legal or completely illegal clubs.

It depends on your view, if your here just traveling around for the short term then maybe it is worth the risk for you. If you have a life set up here with a job, family, or whatever else then it obviously would not be worth the risk.

habiit makes a good point, I agree. Went to Dongguan myself by the way and I wasn't impressed at all to be honest

I went to Dongguan with 3 friends a few years back and it was one of the craziest and most memorable trips from my entire life. When I came home I felt like I got out of a 3 day long dream and it was hard to grasp "reality" again. But maybe you and I didn't spend our time in the same way.

No particular reason! Just curious.

I was also curious how they managed to have a 'proper' poker event in Beijing a year or so back. Was it the asian poker tour or something? That was high profile too so it can't have been just some people paying bribes. I assume it was run using tokens that were exchanged for money or something? Dunno.

hmm, that's worrying!

Just unlucky (although nothing happened)

Yeah for a high profile thing like dongguan obviously the public figures are going to fall. Don't think even close to everyone involved was busted though, and you can bet the higher ups were the ones who got away.

Dongguan was insane when I went, not sure how you had a bad time there flop.

Any idea why it got busted or how the club was keeping it from getting busted before and after?

I'm not entirely sure since the girl who worked there her English was about as limited as my Chinese, but what I understood was that either before they didn't pay them, or not enough, and afterwards they did and it was okay. I never got more info out of her, she just kept saying I shouldn't worry anymore. But I never went back. It was a fairly new club fwiw.

1 month and nobody reply the Dude??? There is people here that could help you more than me.. Maybe they are afraid to lose jobs

Try search in Internet. The pay is around 1500/2000 usd$ with rent free

Would've answered if I saw it.

Best way is to start e-mailing your CV + other documentation (passport photos, passport scan etc) directly to universities rather than going through a recruiter. The uni pays the recruiter by reducing your salary. Try cutting them out if possible.

http://en.chinatefl.com/TeachinChina/

The ads are out of date, but most of the contact information should be the same.

I can answer more questions by PM if you like OP.

Nice post

thanks for the replies but do you need a college level degree? I'm 21 years old and I only have a highschool level education.

no (not 100% sure)

It used to be you didn't need one.

I taught English in China from 2007 - 2011. I was 18 when I first started and fresh out of high school.

I taught in Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen and a smaller city in the middle of the country called Wuhan.

I had many different jobs across all 4 of those cities, not in a one of them did I need a university degree.

But it's been 4.5 years since I was last there. Things may have changed. My guess is you'd still be able to find something, even without a degree.

Yes. A 4-year degree is required to obtain a Z work visa.

Every so often, they'll do random checks to see if everything is on the up-and-up. If they catch you teaching illegally, you're detained, fined, deported and banned from entering China for 3-5 years. Even though it is your employer's responsibility to get your visa, you are the one who gets the heaviest punishment for working illegally. The schools get a fine they can pay off with pocket change for their behavior.

Last year, 1600 teachers were deported for teaching without a work permit.

This article is a bit one-sided and exaggerated, but it does illustrate the shadiness that some academies exist in.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-chinese...s-in-china-127

I had a lot of jobs I worked with no Z-visa and was never detained or deported. Never had any issues with the law at all.

As I said I haven't been there since 2011.

Back then it wasn't something that was cracked down on often enough to be a major concern.

Have they ramped that up in recent years, been cracking down on it more?

moved at 18 right out of high school..... never knew that, crazy

I haven't personally experienced it myself but it seems that every so often they decide to make some noise and do some checking around. It seems that you are more likely to get caught if you're in one of the big cities since that's where the crackdowns have been as of late. You're probably ok if you live in a rural area.

As a matter of fact, the government is now requiring Z visas for short-term work as well

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2015/04/...-required.html

EDIT: Seems that China started becoming a bit more serious about the degree requirement around 2007/08. Given how slow change comes and the inefficiency of Chinese bureaucracy, it was probably easier to get away with back then. I know that I needed a degree when I went there in 2011 (though the work experience requirement is ignored most of the time).

Im currently in phuket and have 1 month left on my visa but afterwards I'm open to pretty much anywhere in asia. What sort of options would I have to get a job in any of the surrounding countries (teaching or w,e else), like I said I have no higher education than highschool (and I don't even have the diploma for that at hand) so it would most likely have to be something under the table that pays cash since I don't think I'd be able to make it through the "legal" process. I've been traveling europe before and I make okay money playing poker but I think it would really help with the stress if I had some sort of stable income which is why I was interested when I heard you can get teaching jobs in china (which I'm still open to if its a possibility). I'm aware that most of these asian countries have a very low gdp per capita so 2k/m for teaching a few hours a week seems really good. I also met a couple of foreigners who work for bars here in phuket and in bangkok. My standards aren't too high, if I can get like 1k/m which probably covers the large majority of my monthly expenses it would really be good for me cause I don't like having to always withdraw from my roll. Do you guys know of anything? And how would I go about finding one

are there any sort of "under the table" jobs one can get while staying in china? like I know in china theres teaching opportunities and such. I'm a 21 year old canadian and have no higher education than highschool and don't even have thatmy diploma at hand so I doubt I'd be able to make it through the "legal" process. I'm currently in thailand with about a month left on my visa and I'm exploring options and would prefer going to a country where I can get some sort of side income, my standards aren't too high, just something that would cover about 50-75% of my expenses

You can get teaching jobs as long as you're a white native English speaker. But the government requires that you have a bachelors degree, so if you come you would indeed be working under the table. That means that like an illegal immigrant in the US, your employer can exploit you greatly. I wouldn't recommend being an illegal immigrant in China.

Honestly China was by far the best option for teaching without a degree. If that is no longer easy to do there, I don't really know what to tell you.

No academy/school that pays over 12000 RMB/month (equivalent of 2000 Euros) is going to take anybody who doesn't qualify for a Z visa.

If you want to work in the middle of nowhere for low pay, you'd be okay coming in on a tourist visa and overstaying. But you'd probably be the only foreigner in that area. Aside from the people you're teaching (which are lower intermediate level at best in rural areas), you will have to learn Chinese to have a social life in the boonies.