The rake here is pretty insane at a few places as well with one room capping their 10/20 game at $130. I admit even our rake is not ideal by my own standards but it's competitive with the market down here. Prices on hotels and guesthouses have risen as well. If you're coming into town I would look at the Beach Club and Makara for around $30-$40 and the Motel 7 for around $20-$25.

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The Chinese presence had had a bigger impact on the Omaha games than hold'em as most of the ones who have come in thus far seem to prefer it. RK has held Omaha games deep into the night lately with hold'em starting early. Honestly I think hold'em is down overall in all of Phnom Penh, although I suppose I can't really speak about Naga as I haven't kept tabs with what's going on there. The Chinese aren't done coming in yet so the hope is that the bigger hold'em games pick up. As to them playing in other rooms, I discovered a long time ago that any player you attract into your room will inevitably find other venues and play in other locations. It can't be helped nor should it be.

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that rake is insane when you consider how small these casino are and how little staff are paid. their overheads are tiny compared to normal sized casinos.

what's the rake at your card room?

They'll rake whatever they think they can get away with, as the recreational Chinese players don't seem to know or care about the rake. One of the 2/5 games down here tried to cap at $50, but enough regs told them to **** off that they went back down to $30, which of course is still really high.

I had a friend that was a dealer at the StarDust in the early 70's in Vegas before they had the standard 5% rake and they scooped up as much as they could in some games. If a table was full of tourist then it got crazy like it seems to be in Cambodia.

Haha yup, it really is the wild wild west out here!

I know northern cyprus games which are 5/10+ with 3% uncapped rake. This goes on for years. Given the players that get there it's still beatable. But you have obv to play supertight to beat that. And you get a 5 star hotel for free in most cases.

Wrote vogue poker room on FB about their rake on 10/20 (it's 100$ and 25$ for 2/5). I will get free accomodation if I am an 'action player'.

so you're not getting free accommodation lol

I believe that 10/20 game is technically a 'private game' meaning if you play and nit it up for a few days they don't invite you back.

3% uncapped rake? That is sick

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They've advertised it as such on their Facebook page. Which makes me wonder, why advert for a private game?

I mean I guess they want people to know about the game, and then they can self select their players from there. It's only private when they want it to be private.

I played 5/10 yesterday at the gobo after testing the 2/5 at OC. To be honest the 5/10 was waaay better than the 2/5. Deeper and full of donkeys. They treated the chips as what they are...plastic. I don't think they care how nitty you play because you are pretty much the only one with that style. Unfortunately I lost money.
Btw is there any plo game in town?

what's the gobo?

stencil or template placed inside or in front of a light source to control the shape of the emitted light

that is still a high rake, I complained when we went from $3 cap to $4 now $5 in Vegas but a $30 on a 2/5 game is hard to beat. Why so high when you pay the dealer half of what they get paid in the states. Everything is cheaper in Cambodia but the rake.

Imo u can't compare the games in the us with these ones. The game is deeper (no max) and you have more maniacs what is pretty rare in us games unless you have a drink guy.
For instance a buddy has a 20% higher winrate in the Aria compared to the Bellagio on 5/10 just because of the bigger buyin.
20€ cap is pretty common in Europe and you still have regs that can make a life out of it.

I think the guys who run the poker table(s) have to rent out their space from the casino and the rent ain't cheap. Or something like that. PT would know.

that's the reason why the rake is so high.

the old 1/1 game with 5% capped at $5 was able to make profit despite the high rental fee (in one of the more expensive casinos) and they didn't even have this hilarious all in insurance which makes tons of money on top of the ridiculous high rake.

Someone told me table rent for the 2/5 in the Pearl is 8k a month, for the 1/2 6k. From what I have seen there are even some houseplayers in this room. So more costs besides dealers, food etc.

The problem here is that it is seperated from the casino. Most casinos have Poker as a game that attracts different kind of people that otherwise wouldn't join the place.

And the pokerteams just follow the idea of economics->maximize the profit.

I somehow like the ai insurance. Not for me but it drives this game more to gambling. If I would run the room I would even offer the insurance to every player on the table.

14k overall for two tables at oriental seems right, the 1/1 game which stayed in ya duo li for around 1year paid around 9k/month for two tables and they also had house players..

The oriental game started as a 1/2 game when they switched to 2/5 they charged 5% capped at 15, all the rake increases since then came mostly due to new shareholders who wanted more profit..

8K is nothing, if they are dealing 35 hands a hour and just for 12 hours a day then for 30 days a month that is about 63000 a month. Pay a dealer on the high side for Cambodia 2000 a month, then add in another 5000 for management and chip runners plus cage workers plus that would get split between all the tables not just one, that is still $50000 per month profit for one 1/2 table at $5 rake. Now figure it out at the crazy rake they charge and each table is bringing in close to $100K , nice chunk of change IMHO. Sign me up and now figure in some rooms are longer then 12 hours a day.

It's an unnatural thing to have poker rooms run by third parties who rent from the casino. Having said that I guarantee we have the highest paid dealers in town and unlike most places they actually keep their tips.

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As far as I know there isn't a single poker room in town that is actually run by the casino. And another thing to consider is that almost every room has partnered with some Chinese group to run bigger games and they often have a bigger say in what the rake is. I include my room in this category.

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I'm not going to delve into every detail but your numbers are a bit off. Games below 2-5 don't take that much in this town because of the fact that the 5% threshold also applies to smaller games. And you're not figuring in the drinks and free food that rooms offer to stay competitive.

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