lol at the thought that south america is more politically stable

some countries there average a coup every 2-3 years over the past few decades, when i was living in ecuador we'd only exchange the minimal amount each week because we knew the rate would be even better next week - so much inflation they eventually dropped their own currency and just use the dollar

When I am talking about SA that they are (imo, probably) ruled by the cartels, do you understand that I am talking about the biggest/richest SA countries, right? I am not talking about some poverty countries of fkn course.

I'm surprised Tim Sharky wasn't killed a long time ago. He's kind of the opposite of what thai police and thai gangsters will tolerate and he's getting protection money from his girls as well which surely takes away money from thais, but in Pattaya all kinds of guys are walking around that would have been killed a long time ago in Bangkok. Maybe Pattaya experts can chime in cause I don't really get it. It seems different rule apply there...

Lol at question authority in Thailand. You act submissive and act like you have nothing to take from and live far away when police tries to shake you down in Bangkok. If he "questions authority" in the Thong Lor police department chances are he won't be seen alive again.

Regarding South America. Never been there but pretty much everybody who has been there has stories of knife point robberies. That's less concerning though than people looking to actively take your life because their presence bothers you and I don't think that's going to be that much of an issue in SA.

I remember reading a few years ago an important statistic, Thailand is the #1 foreign country in the world in number of deaths of UK citizens, outside of the UK. It is a very dangerous place to be for foreigners and people who don't take that statistic seriously do so at their own peril.

fyp

This guy is a special kind of stupid. Rule #1 moron.

Lol at Netflix, just LOL

Hyperinflation/political unrest is rampant throughout all of SA. But you said to name a country harder than Thai, I still think literally any south of USA would be more difficult.

Your presence as a wealthy gringo would bother them more than it would Thai people imo, plus if you set up shop and create competition in a town/city that is cartel run you can pretty much gg life.

Guess we can agree both places aren’t ideal to start building your empire.

How active is big sharky in Patts now? Heard a rumour he had HIV any light to that?

He said it in the video, at that time he had 100k followers on social medias. Can't easily balcony suicide someone like him who is a poverty public figure. Especially when you go full psycho with a bunch of cameramans inside a police station. And btw, they stole him $50k maybe $60k, if I remember correctly.

But you can buy land in SA as a foreigner I guess. If so, easier to make legally business there. Anyway I agree both places are (apparently) not GTO for businessman noob.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Gf has a couple well connected friends and like d-list celebrity friends. I've been hanging out with them for a few years now and never felt any sort of xenophobia from them (they do look down on "farang khi nokh"). A lot of these hiso kids studied in international school or abroad. I used to go quite often to Noiz before it closed down where you see ppl decked out in full high fashion gear and never once felt I was in danger or had a bad vibe. It's a saving face culture so keep your head down and stay easygoing - its not that hard. You wouldnt go to south america and start talking trash to a gangster would you? I think where you run into problems is when you get into business and gotta get involved in the power games cuz inherently you gotta be agressive to win

so many snowflakes. third world business are not similar to western ones thats what makes them so much fun, also the roi's are astronomically higher.

worried about somchai taking you out? take him out first. if your not willing to get your hands dirty your automatically out of the running. thats probably why most westerners are just hobbyists and 'keep their heads down' they just dont have the heart for whats required.

my family made their fortune in mexico, chile, south africa, tanazania and kenya. i doubt thailand is any tougher then what they dealt with. from my experience most thais are just simple monkeys. im also not interested in doing any business here that doesnt involve whores in pattaya. and that business plan is well mapped out from the thousands who have done it before.

havnt seen him ever, but there is a mini sharky whose a soi 6 bar manager see that guy every day almost

I've seen him walking the dogs near central @ beach road at least 3 times in the last few months

few people who could make that statement truthfully would ever phrase it like that

For a minute there, this thread was getting seriously off track. Who the **** cares about Sth America or Africa.

Opening a bar in Soi Chaiyapoon is probably a good way to get a taste of what it takes to set up and run a bar in Patts.

Right now, there will be opportunities to take over bars that have been abandoned during the pandemic - you might be able to get good deals without having to pay key money.

For example, a bar just across from Runway on Soi Honey has been abandoned.

Some basic figures:

Rent: 20K
Key Money: 18K/0
Tea Money:0
Girls x 10: 70K
Cashier: 25K
Manager/Host: 30K
Social Media 10K
Power?
Water?
TV Sports Package?
Repairs/Maintenance 10K
Internet/Wifi 2K

Pattaya has so many bars, it seems inconceivable that there would be gaps in the market but I *think* there are a least a couple.

1. A Nightclub in LK Metro/Buakhao - just freelancers similar to IBar/808/Lucifer/Red Car etc.
2. This might be a really stupid idea and maybe impossible to make work financially but a GFE bar - a lot of guys look for LT/LLT/pure GFE and there is no bars that I know of that do that. I know not all girls like ST after ST although it is obviously the best way to make the most money on a good day.

Thought bubble for a GFE Bar - have a single price point - $1k for all you can drink and unlimited* LD's for lets say 3 hours (beer/Sangsom). Take a lady for $2k fixed cost, so $3K all up. If the bar averaged 500 profit to replace traditional barfines, it might be worthwhile.

Come back with your lady the next day (and subsequent days) and pay $1K all up for 4 hours (girls like to hang out with their friends and makes for a good party atmosphere and the punter becomes friends with all of the girls). Could buy street food and everybody welcome to share (I know, Coronavirus) and this would make it a more authentically Thai experience. The idea here is repeat business which so many bars in Pattaya are not good at.

My thoughts are, that since LD's are pre-paid, the punter can come in for an all up cost of $3k, sample different lady's with no pressure, get a buzz on and take a lady. If the girls are friendly and fun, there is no pressure on the punter like there is in traditional bars.

From the girls POV, there would be zero pressure to sell LD's because there would be no quota. And because the LD's are provided (the punter still has to choose a Lady to sit with and "buy" a drink for), the Lady's will get loosened up pretty quickly and create the fun atmosphere punters and the ladys enjoy.

M8 love ya work.

maybe choose a unicorn for your avatar next time

Everybody's gotta drop $21k in a night one time right?

I haven't but I'm not fum feuay like you. Even the girl's in McDonalds call me kee neeiow. So what?, I like water. 555

There are rumours that half of WS will be closed and developed - will it happen?... who knows? But it might. LK/Buakho is more and more becoming a place. that people want to stay and hang out at. There are at least 7 or 8 too many Agogos there and yet not a single freelancers nightclub???

Carving out a niche is always a better strategy than doing what everybody else is doing though. Definitely don't want to be just another bar or a Ghost Bar with no customers. There are already hundreds of them.

I think it was coinflippa who told me that they're planning on basically turning everything on the Avenue second road into gogos and nightlife type stuff. So yes I think we're gonna see a move from walking to everywhere else pretty shortly

This basic budget (+ alcohol) is for a single width bar on Chaiyapoon, (which has yet to take off besides Amon's Massage which always seems to be packed).

Roughly 220K+ monthly running costs without renovation - real money there $7K+USD

So I'm in if it's going ahead :-)

Lessons learned from reading others sad stories:

*Getting a good Cashier is critical.
*Recruiting is key and turnover of talent is heavy.
*Trying to apply strict Western business principles doesn't work.
*Applying western business principles in a Thai Friendly way does work
*Over time, if the girls like working for you, they will recruit their friends and friends of friends.
*Deadbeat owners are a cancer
*Having a good sports and TV package is actually good for business.

Anyone like the name, Cum Too Mutt Bar? 555

how much in payoffs, surely there would be loads right?

i think you need to figure that stuff out first

even in china you still need to pay off people to get your fire safety license for the building etc etc

Love it.

I know just the lady! GTO endboss cashier works in a bar on LK, her daughter grabbing my dick on my right hand side while she's on the left trying to have a conversation :') Will poach em both!