Ok so like 2 hands prior we played this hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #14295767855: $100,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (101920379), Table 69 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:41:30 ET - 2009/08/27
Seat 1: ALLinwithdaBEST (53,498)
Seat 2: ChuckSty (44,435)
Seat 3: BenFranks (49,467)
Seat 4: MS_JUICE26 (78,532)
Seat 5: GeoffRas22 (87,285)
Seat 6: DuckU (46,987)
ALLinwithdaBEST antes 200
ChuckSty antes 200
BenFranks antes 200
MS_JUICE26 antes 200
GeoffRas22 antes 200
DuckU antes 200
DuckU posts the small blind of 800
ALLinwithdaBEST posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GeoffRas22 [6c 6d]
ChuckSty folds
BenFranks folds
MS_JUICE26 raises to 3,200
ALLinwithdaBEST: srsly u have to tell me wat u have after i get ko or u
GeoffRas22 calls 3,200
DuckU folds
ALLinwithdaBEST folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 3d 5s]
MS_JUICE26 bets 1,600
GeoffRas22 raises to 6,400
MS_JUICE26 has 15 seconds left to act
MS_JUICE26 folds
Uncalled bet of 4,800 returned to GeoffRas22
GeoffRas22 mucks
GeoffRas22 wins the pot (13,200)


no real other history havent been @ the table too long, i dont think hes very good but like playing a lot of pots

anyways here's the hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #14295791745: $100,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (101920379), Table 69 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:43:21 ET - 2009/08/27
Seat 1: ALLinwithdaBEST (50,698)
Seat 2: ChuckSty (40,602)
Seat 3: BenFranks (49,067)
Seat 4: MS_JUICE26 (73,332)
Seat 5: GeoffRas22 (100,718)
Seat 6: DuckU (45,787)
ALLinwithdaBEST antes 200
ChuckSty antes 200
BenFranks antes 200
MS_JUICE26 antes 200
GeoffRas22 antes 200
DuckU antes 200
ChuckSty posts the small blind of 800
BenFranks posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GeoffRas22 [9c 9h]
MS_JUICE26 raises to 3,200
GeoffRas22 calls 3,200
DuckU folds
ALLinwithdaBEST has 15 seconds left to act
ALLinwithdaBEST folds
ChuckSty folds
BenFranks folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 2h 5d]
MS_JUICE26 has 15 seconds left to act
MS_JUICE26 bets 1,600
GeoffRas22 raises to 6,400
MS_JUICE26 raises to 69,932, and is all in
GeoffRas22 has 15 seconds left to act
GeoffRas22 has requested TIME
GeoffRas22:

i like know i should have a plan when i make it that size i just figured hes the type of guy whose gonna click call with like a whole ton of worse hands so im missing a lot of value by not raising again,

is this a super easy fold??

id fold now, he didnt even timebank and he raised utg. Had this been co v btn again, i wouldnt fold though

also sick ducku cameo.

I would have called fwiw (which is little).

he could have a draw but, thats the only hand you beat. super ez fold

not familiar with ms_juice but I can't see this being a call against most players, even with a decent number of draws in his range your hand isn't looking that good imo.

strikes me as either an overpair protecting their hand or a combo draw putting the decision on you

you're either way behind or flipping - got to be a fold now

why raise the flop?

to get value from worse hands and it protects against a likely 6 outer also pretty good for balance

i dont disagree with the first part, but we dont have to balance against "MS_JUICE26"

i agree we don't, but if the hand goes to showdown or something it's good for your image since our raises won't be as polarized, i was just trying to add as many good reasons to raise as possible

such a snapcall and I'm happy about it

I don't like raising the Flop. The prior hand villain obviously showed a willingness to let a hand go in the face of a raise on the Flop, so I think we lose value by folding out worse made hands (ie small pairs, A7, etc), letting villain slow down any bluff they might try OTT w/ overcards if we just call, and we could even get ourselves bluffed off a hand w/ enough equity to get AI when villain 3b-shoves w/ overs+FD, and of course we face plenty of RIO when villain has a bigger pair and our plan is to raise/call.

I flat the Flop, reevaluate Turn sizing depending on what card hits. I don't mind playing a small pot passively w/ a vulnerable overpair when our reads still aren't that great, and we've seen villain lay down to aggression in the not so recent past.

I think raising this flop is atrocious, without any significant history(1 hand doesn't count) you're just hoping he's completely spazzing out 45 bbs deep on a rag flop.

i think the opposite and think if people get raised again the next hand they are likely to spew away or call lighter which is probably just natural at the table to feel like you must defend yourself, assuming he folds a7 here after hero raised him the previous hand is a little crazy imo especially with the amount of gutters on this board

This.

yeah, i also want to call

there's 87932 in the pot and it's 63532 to call so we need ~42%.

what do you think of this range, geoff:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

579,150 games 0.015 secs 38,610,000 games/sec

Board: 7d 5d 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.536% 44.01% 00.53% 254886 3045.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 55.464% 54.94% 00.53% 318174 3045.00 { 77+, 55, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, A7s, Ad6d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, JdTd, Td9d, T7s, 96s+, 86s+, 8h5h, 8s5s, 75s+, 52s, A7o }

if he's minbet/shoving this wide--with **** like 96s any NFD and lots of overs+FD--then it's definitely a call.

but if you drop 96s and some of the FDs then your equity starts to drop pretty rapidly.

idk i think in game i'd fold but at the same time i'm pretty sure i'd just call the flop.

i think theres 0% chance raising the flop is "atrocious" vs anyone who is constantly minraising/betting 1/6 pot

especially if i believe that hes 3 betting very rarely and calling with just about everything (all overcards, pairs, draws, even some stupid air hands)

i think ur missing serious value in a lot of spots if you think raising here is "atrocious"

i folded, im still not sure what to think of it thats just how surprised i was that he crammed

I snap fast before I start analyzing and ****. History and reads helps a lot on snap of course. Readless/historyless the flop raise is pretty bad tho.

My bad for both being an ******* and a moron. I fail hard at the internets.

Yea i think raising and calling here is pretty standard esp given previous action.

I think raising flop is a lot better than calling too because we take the initiative, get more value in the pot, and give him a chance to spaz (like now)

i really dont know if you are like being sarcastic or not, but i wasn't attacking you in any way...just giving my honest opinion

Def not being sarcastic, and appreciate a solid response.

lol at some of you guys assuming villain isn't completely ******ed and saying "against most" and assigning standard ranges given the two hand histories.

Villain is obviously a complete moron monkey ****** and I likely call.

Then again I probably don't raise on the first hand so everything is different.

given history and sn I think this is a call. I don't like raise folding after the other hand vs this presumed random.