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Wsope ME day2 spot with JJ 150x deep. Wsope ME day2 spot with JJ 150x deep.

11-18-2011 , 04:42 PM
Hi guys. Have been thinking about this hand a bit coz it changed all my tournament flow(tilted me a little).
I did not schedule this at first, sattied in 2 days before, sold half my action and decided to play. I am not moneyscared at all, but still, is the highest buy in i ever play, so that could have influenced me.

Let's go to the hand.

It's day2 still far from the money, i have a pretty easy table(not like day1 where i happend to be with moorman, mercier and cheong at same time lol).
I started the day with 40k, chipped up to 170k in 3 levels playing lot of hands, running good of course, 3betting a lot(showing down hands like 85s couple times). I have a pretty sick image.

Villain is a 50yo french guy. He is a HSCG reg there, so not scared at all. Plays really passive pre(flatted AKo to a raise once, and JJ too). He defends a lot from blinds and in general is quite loose.
Post is passive too, slowplays big hands, and calls down with 2nd pair tipe hands quite often exp vs young players who have shown aggression.


Blinds 500-1k
Hero(170k) UTG raises 2.1k with JJ
Villain(150k) SB calls
BB shoves 11k(was very tight and went almost blinded out)

Here is my first doubt. Call or raise?
At the time i thought villain would have called the 11k or the minraise with pretty much the same range so i decided to raise coz i thought i was ahead that range. Later i thought that i could have kept the pot smaller oop.

hero raises 23k
Villain calls

Main pot 35k, side 24k.

Flop 9h8h4 (i don't have Jh)

Villain checks, I bet 13k, he calls.

Turn 9h8h4 6

He checks, I check.

River 9h8h4 6 4h

He bets 20k.

Meh, I ended up cryin calling but i was pretty sure i was beaten.(he had QQ) For how he was playing it was so hard he was vbetting something i could beat. Ex post i think a bluffshove could have been really a good move vs his smallvbetting range.

Thoughts on every street are appreciated. Ty all.

Last edited by Donriky; 11-18-2011 at 04:52 PM.
11-18-2011 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donriky
Later i thought that i could have kept the pot smaller oop.
You're not OOP. I'd definitely just call, if you raise again I see Villain playing pretty much perfectly against you. Maybe you'll get him off of AQ but I think he has a pretty easy fold with most hands you dominate, so overall calling will induce a lot more mistakes than raising.

Also your flop bet is really small for a board of this texture, I think you need to 20K as an absolute minimum but more is probably better. As played bet-folding the turn is a lot better than calling the river, but given you checked I'd still call just because you're getting such good odds.
11-18-2011 , 05:45 PM
i hate betting 13k on the flop into 60k. id either check back or bet closer to 30k. As played I would call the river. pretty lucky to lose the min here.
11-18-2011 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Foucault
You're not OOP. I'd definitely just call, if you raise again I see Villain playing pretty much perfectly against you. Maybe you'll get him off of AQ but I think he has a pretty easy fold with most hands you dominate, so overall calling will induce a lot more mistakes than raising.

Also your flop bet is really small for a board of this texture, I think you need to 20K as an absolute minimum but more is probably better. As played bet-folding the turn is a lot better than calling the river, but given you checked I'd still call just because you're getting such good odds.
yeah basically this
11-18-2011 , 06:08 PM
I'd call preflop to keep his range wider. You're saying that he'd call with the same range he called pre with, but if that was really true, you wouldn't be so scared after the flop bet. As played, I'd bet at least 20K on the flop although you don't really need to bet 1/2 pot or anything since it's a dry side pot and he's not going to call too light. With how weakly you bet the flop, I think you definitely have to call the river for <1/4 pot. Could easily be a blocker bet with TT.
11-18-2011 , 06:17 PM
I bet only 13k coz i think that kind of villain acts pretty much the same way either if i bet 13k or like 27k(exp with a guy in allin he could perceive my bet stronger than usual even with a small size), and given i made a mistake pre i don't want to make the size of the pot blow once and for all.
11-18-2011 , 06:27 PM
Would raise as you did pre and check the flop. River's an easy fold.
11-18-2011 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
I'd call preflop to keep his range wider. You're saying that he'd call with the same range he called pre with, but if that was really true, you wouldn't be so scared after the flop bet
Ye that was my thought in that moment, that given how much we were deep he would have called the same range. Think i was wrong.
11-18-2011 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Would raise as you did pre and check the flop. River's an easy fold.
Can a bluff be good otr or is just spewy?
11-18-2011 , 06:38 PM
Click it back pre instead of jumping to 23k.

I think it's fine as played. I like the small bet on the flop, I like the turn check, I snap call the river. This is if I'm driving; given that you're Italian and he's French you should high five the dealer before calling the river imo.
11-18-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MaverickUSC
Click it back pre instead of jumping to 23k.
The min raise in france was 22k in this case.
11-19-2011 , 08:21 AM
Ooooooohhhhh I didn't realize it was WSOPe my bad. LOL at that silly French rule. Still, 22>23 imo, although I like calling>raising pre now methinks.
11-21-2011 , 11:06 AM
preflop you can flat but I think if you raise you should raise a little bigger.. both for value and to define his hand range better.

flop I'd just check it.. if I bet I bet bigger... again your cbet size is pretty bad and allows him to think that he can just call and then bluff you off the hand later or something.

as played what else is there to do but call?

      
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