I haven't posted a hand here in a while, and while this spot may be something you see pretty often, the way you continue depends on a lot of different things. Sadly while I did know a little bit about my opponent, I don't know if he knows anything about me, or anything of that nature. The only information I had was that he was supposedly a good player who mostly played mid-high stakes cash.

I've had a TON of different feedback on this hand, and I still am not sure what's optimal. I'm going to post it as two parts and see what everyone thinks.








How do we continue? All comments are welcome on the hand, and I will post what I did OTT and the river spot after a little discussion.

i think bet turn for 1900~ is best way to get more money into the pot vs jx and good for your draws as well i dont anticipate many shoves over it your range > his on this runout so far. if he calls turn can check/decide river or shove for value in some cases.

i do feel a hs cash gamer will have a way wider preflop range here that you would want to barrel this turn vs as a bluff and he is going to be capable of calling jx for same reason

bet flop 1500ish


check turn for sure, absolutely no point in betting here (balancing w our draws is not a point for betting here panda)
and vs Jx we dont get 3 streets here, so i dont understand why u will bet there?

i think cg regs are rly peel and float happy and thats a good spot for a check to let him bet some of his air type hands...

Think betting here is good since it's pretty clear to a cash player that you have some sort of SD value when you check turn and you are going to be playing a ton of guessing games when he bets twice. Betting keeps a lot more air in your range and he's definitely not folding Jx ott. I think you can safely check/fold river when he calls turn.

bet bigger on the flop to get more value from his call flop/fold turn range - id bet turn - he has a ton of Jx that will expect you to bet this turn thus should be continuing in the hand

With that flop sizing either check/call turn or bet again smallish to induce.

Prefer check the turn, assume he bets, then raise shove.

BET 1900 C/F RIVER

I think it's a very standard turn bet here... You're range could of easily have hit the ace just as much as his did. I think bomb the turn 50-60% pot... If villain continues with the Han after the turn bet I'm pretty much shutting down... He's either had me beat otf or he's hit the turn...

Bet bigger otf, turn is a clear vbet.

What kind of hands are you guys expecting him to call with OTT? Note I opened UTG+1 with 20BB and he flatted in MP. Also if we bet turn and he calls, what are we doing on most rivers?

and I'm fine with my flop sizing. The turn and river are the most interesting clearly. I did bet the turn, I'll reveal the river when I wake up and hopefully there are some more detailed responses beside "clear/easy xyz"

JTs+,QJo+ seems reasonable......I guess your arguments are he doesn't call this wide pre or folds the turn with less then AJo at a high enough freq to check here? Of course if he thinks your incapable of bluffing this turn then you should be checking but I think he calls 1 more street enough to warrant betting

Whats your reasoning for going so small on the flop? I don't think going to 2k changes his calling freq and also sets up an easy turn jam....I don't really see any reason for your sizing but maybe I'm missing something

We bet turn because he most likely sees the Ad as a perfect bluff/semibluff card for you and he will almost never fold Jx. Whoever said x/jam turn is just silly because we should be valuebetting and not turning our hand into a bluff here. Probably jamming for value on brick rivers some of the time since the Ad is the perfect semibluff turn and we have a lot of missed draws in our range that would have double barreled here.

This was my first thought but I'm not sure we shouldn't be betting river as well. Do we have any b/b/x-cs?

If you're going to build a range, seems like JJ would be the natural first hand to add.

Hero: bets 2275
Villain calls 2275
*** RIVER *** [5d 6h Jc Ad] [8h]
Hero has 7,500 chips left with around 11k in the pot.

Lol why do you guys think he almost every time has the J? He called an UTG PF minraise (10% of hero's stack). Range him! What is his kicker? Would he call this with:

*AJ - possible
*KJ - possible but less unlikely cause hero has 2 kings already
*QJ - not very likely, unless maybe it's suited

Lower than this is not in his range I guess. And why do you all think the A is a bluffcard for hero so villain should call (if he has a J already)? Hero has definetely a lot of aces in his range. That being said, villain can have a lot of pair like 88, 99 or 1010 or maybe he's floating the flop seen the small sizing. I think check/c turn and bet small on river or lead river when he checks turn too.

excellent thread title

he could have jts qjs on his range or hands with good implid odds(vs bigstackes behind him ) no1 will squeeze light in this spot
villain

River seems to be a very clear c/f, turn may be a c/f vs some fwiw. I mean all of our range considerations aside villain has very few hands OTR that we beat and that he chooses to turn into a bluff.

can u plz explain me why do u think the turn is a "clear vbet"

bcs i think we shouldnt bet turn there

Feel like we are bluffing this card too much for it not to be.

What's your plan here? x/c turn and x/f river? Once we x/c turn and x river he can pretty much jam his entire range because we never have an ace or any nutted hand for that matter.

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