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WCOOP 1K vs Humberto B. - ITM| Insta-shove or Insta-fold? WCOOP 1K vs Humberto B. - ITM| Insta-shove or Insta-fold?

09-20-2010 , 09:28 AM
I just got moved to the tabe about 6 hands ago and haven't played any.

Insta-shove? If not, whats your shoving range here..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1050 Tournament, 1250/2500 Blinds 325 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Humberto B.(t77160)
BB (t180345)
UTG (t93170)
UTG+1 (t110944)
MP1 (t343525)
MP2 (t83870)
CO (t109948)
Hero (Button) (t70371)

Hero's M: 11.08

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4
5 folds, Hero bets t5599, SB/Humberto raises to t17500, 1 fold, [color=#CC3333] Hero ??
09-20-2010 , 09:54 AM
Need stats / reads
09-20-2010 , 10:12 AM
Seems one of those "snapfold and high-five monitor" spots.
Humberto Brenes is really, really tight.
09-20-2010 , 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
Seems one of those "snapfold and high-five monitor" spots.
Humberto Brenes is really, really tight.
As far as I know he is too but can be different online
09-20-2010 , 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
Seems one of those "snapfold and high-five monitor" spots.
Humberto Brenes is really, really tight.
So whats your re-shoving range here?
09-20-2010 , 10:18 AM
66+
AQ+/AJs

if he's half as nitty as he plays live, that is
09-20-2010 , 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
Seems one of those "snapfold and high-five monitor" spots.
Humberto Brenes is really, really tight.
hes definitely not online

but dont shove anyway because he will spite call you
09-20-2010 , 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackOfSpeed
66+
AQ+/AJs

if he's half as nitty as he plays live, that is
whats the difference between 6s and 2s bru

hes absurdly nitty live idk about online before seeing mlagoos comment ithought just snap fold but he might like tank fold AQ here
09-20-2010 , 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prolax13
whats the difference between 6s and 2s bru

hes absurdly nitty live idk about online before seeing mlagoos comment ithought just snap fold but he might like tank fold AQ here
im pretty certain hes way more likely to do a wgaf-call with 55 or T8s than to fold AQ. i mean i guess itm of a 1k he might take a bit more seriously than an average online tourney, but i just doubt hes ever making it this size and folding.
09-20-2010 , 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlagoo
im pretty certain hes way more likely to do a wgaf-call with 55 or T8s than to fold AQ. i mean i guess itm of a 1k he might take a bit more seriously than an average online tourney, but i just doubt hes ever making it this size and folding.
Hmm.. even if he puts me on top30% he is flipping at best. Granted he is getting about 60/40, but help me understand why a pro would want to flip this late .. especially when he will have an M=10 even if he folds here??
09-20-2010 , 05:57 PM
^^
Humberto prob not thinking M=10 if fold...

Having played with him a good amt i would say snapfold and feel great about it...
09-21-2010 , 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackOfSpeed
66+
AQ+/AJs

if he's half as nitty as he plays live, that is
way2wide
09-21-2010 , 07:00 AM
It's pretty likely someone else is playing on the account but it doesn't really matter anyway; snapfold.
09-21-2010 , 09:37 AM
fold !

edit: oups , didt c you ask for our shoving range here...

I'd say : TT+ / Ajs+ / AQo

99 is close, but AT is not

Last edited by Cryys; 09-21-2010 at 10:01 AM.
09-21-2010 , 09:45 AM
Easy fold... He is 3bing a 30 BB stack outta the SB, he is repping huge here. We have dirt equity vs. his range.

Your reshove range should be a lot smaller than you want it to be, I'd imagine something like JJ+ AQs+ (maybe AKo)
09-21-2010 , 01:31 PM
Busto_soon on dropping dramabombs
09-21-2010 , 08:49 PM
Ok, I get the consensus - he is a huge-nit, so snap fold.

Next Question:
So, I insta-shove , he thinks for like 5 secs and calls with 66. I goto bed at 4:30am.

What I still dont get is this -

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdbets
Humberto prob not thinking M=10 if fold...
Looking at the hand from his perspective, yes, he is getting about 1.7:1 after I shove, but why would he not fold the 66s if he can still have M=10 if he folds?

In other words, why would he choose to race late in a tourney (assuming he thinks I'm shoving 25%) esp when you would think that he would think he has a super-edge in a 1K since he has been playing poker before I was born.
09-22-2010 , 01:11 AM
eh live pros tend to get crazy in obvious spots like this JJ+ AQs+ seems wayyyy too tight...
I'd jam 99+ AJs, maybe 88
09-22-2010 , 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by somerook

What I still dont get is this -

Looking at the hand from his perspective, yes, he is getting about 1.7:1 after I shove, but why would he not fold the 66s if he can still have M=10 if he folds?

In other words, why would he choose to race late in a tourney (assuming he thinks I'm shoving 25%) esp when you would think that he would think he has a super-edge in a 1K since he has been playing poker before I was born.
I doubt any of this factors in his thought process at all, its just not the way most live players think. I would venture to say its more like this : He is well aware of his nitty image, so he makes an adjustment and calls light not to get run over by crazy internet players, i doubt he considers what ranges would be optimal given stacks, etc, etc....

As for ranges i think Apestyles (as usual) nailed pretty good....
09-22-2010 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by somerook
Looking at the hand from his perspective, yes, he is getting about 1.7:1 after I shove, but why would he not fold the 66s if he can still have M=10 if he folds?

In other words, why would he choose to race late in a tourney (assuming he thinks I'm shoving 25%) esp when you would think that he would think he has a super-edge in a 1K since he has been playing poker before I was born.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why does M matter when from the OP there doesn't seem to be much in the way of ICM issues involved. (No mention of final table bubble, no big jump in prize money..) If you can get 63% on a 50:50 flip then you'd need a huge edge not to take it.

I'd guess that when he 3Bet he was never folding - 3betting instead of shoving widens your range for getting it all in, if he shoves you're going to call tighter.

      
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