This was a super non-standard laydown. Curious who among you think I'm a huge baller or a huge idiot for doing it.

Villan very important in this hand: nitty middle-aged Jewish-looking guy. Imagine what you'd expect a clone of Allen Kessler to play like. This was that clone. I had played with him for five hours and he was playing super-tight preflop and rarely going to a showdown.

My image also important: generally tight, but not afraid to get involved. This was a ten-handed table full of clowns. No one would perceive me to have been terribly active.

200/400/25.

Jewnit raises to 1,100 from the HJ. CO and Button (both clowns) call. I look down at KK in the BB and re-raise to 4,500. Jewnit doesn't even make the slighest pause: he grabs the requisite chips from his stack and calls. That immediately struck me as alarming. Other players fold.

Flop comes Q85. I have 17k behind at this point and he has about 15k behind. I bet 5,100 trying to look like AK on a desperation c-bet and additionally trying to get him to think he has folding equity so that he'll shove his Jacks and his Tens and maybe even his AKs.

Just like preflop, he doesn't even make the slightest pause, just grabs 5,100 from his stack and splashes it in. Again, this was very alarming to me coming from a nitty player.

Turn is another 8.

I check. He grabs a handful of large denomination chips, and throws them in. Just like on all other streets, he put his chips in blindingly fast once the action was on him... something I hadn't seen him do once all day. His bet amounted to 8,000. He had 3,000-4,000 behind. This was pretty much for all of my chips.

My knee-jerk reaction was to shrug, sigh, and put the rest of my chips in... but I tanked instead.

After a while, I got the clock called on me. I just couldn't formulate a single hand he is possibly playing like this that I can beat. I thought AA was by far the most likely hand and QQ also quite likely given that he just smooth called the flop. I just don't see nitty guys doing this with JJ or TT and I don't see nitty guys snap calling like he did with AQ pf.

Before the clock ran out, I concluded that this actually seemed like a fold. I'd still have 30 bbs left at a very soft table. I said something like "well, I'm either a genius or an idiot," and folded face-up. He pushed his cards facedown towards the dealer. After folding the next hand preflop, he got up from his chair and paced around with a frustrated look on his face (why would he do that if he induced the sucker-fold of the century with AQ?)

So... genius or idiot?

So you get kings, put in half your stack in vs a clown, then fold on a Q 8 5 8 board?

I think you have to have an icy cold read in order to lay this hand down vs said player, just because he bet quickly doesn't mean he has the nuts.

also I would bet the turn and just get it in. as played (a line I would take sometimes but not vs said player) I would shove over any turn bet. That's why you checked, so why did you back out?

and also I raise more preflop. with an open and 2 callers I'm not afraid to make a bigger re raise here, to say like 5600 or so.

also I highly disagree with AA being his most likely hand. almost all live players never flat call a 3b with AA, especially with 2 players left to act!

I think he has AQ a LOT here. Sometimes TT/JJ, sometimes QQ, sometimes 88 or something else equally dumb. But this is a bad fold imo.

Old man probably crapped a brick because he thought he wanted a call but instead got you to lay down a better hand.

I think this is very likely.

Why would he bet either QQ or 88 here?

Read OP. Guy wasn't a clown. Very tight, nitty, and cautious. Obv I'd never fold here against a clown.

This is a horrible post. Why are you even 3-betting if you're afraid to get it in on that board?

I can't believe you play these stakes and don't know how to play this hand.

What is a jewnit?

You're a ****ing idiot

I'm not sure if this is a level...but if not you need to relax dude he was just describing the player....and plz plz plz stop trying to play soo well and get it in.

Dude, you can't stereotype a player by their religion.

So I cannot assume most Irish Catholics raise/bet when the bet gets to them because no one bet before them and not that they actually have a hand?

dont lay this hand down

You tried to make it look like you had AK on the flop, you checked the turn, it looks like you have AK here, which means it makes no sense for AA or QQ to bet. Guy has JJ/TT virtually always.

Your flop plan makes no sense given the player you described.

Anyway, the Real Kramer does not approve. You were presumably betting the flop as a value bet. When people call value bets, it's generally a good thing. If your plan was to check/fold the turn if he called the flop, then just check/fold the flop. Obviously I'm not advocating a check/fold on the flop, I'm just pointing out how absurd your line is by showing that an even more obviously absurd line is actually better, imo.

If your read is correct I like it a lot and would consider checking the flop. However if you read is incorrect it is a terrible fold. Note by your read I don't mean that he has QQ+ I mean that he will have AQ or JJ or w/e close to 0% of the time and won't call three bets with like 76s or w/e else he could possibly be have.

i've too many times seen a guy in a live tournament play really tight then spazz out in some ******ed hand to fold the kizzles here.

lol jewnit

This and it's like the Jamie Gold hand - sometimes "live reads" of "the nizzles" aren't necessarily wrong, it's just that these players are soooo bad they think TPTK is "the nizzles" so just because you sense strength doesn't mean they actually know the value of their hand in this current situation.

STICK IT IN (not just the tip, either)

Redundant IMO

did he have a funny hat

ummmm no? DUCY?

[stealthmunk]This is a terrible fold and not only are you -EV in this tournament, you deserve to die.[/stealthmunk]

No but it really is a terrible fold and you suck at tournaments.

i'm not a live pro like you so i don't usually berate people on their folds in live tourneys but i agree.

Wow, didn't even notice this the first time around:

Shut up.