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04-08-2010 , 08:07 AM
Been playing really late tournaments lately which generally have a weaker field base than most are used to here, since not many regs play too late. First hand comes from Stars $109 double chance, where you can take a singular rebuy.

I think there's almost no hands that can call down my triple barrel in his limping range here. I don't think people limp/call then call down all three with AJ, and he like never has big pairs or AK and they're absolutely in my range. No history with villain. Thoughts:


Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t2990 M = 66.44
UTG: t3415 M = 75.89
UTG+1: t3085 M = 68.56
UTG+2: t2565 M = 57
MP1: t4436 M = 98.58
MP2: t3000 M = 66.67
Hero (CO): t2880 M = 64
BTN: t2955 M = 65.67
SB: t2970 M = 66

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is CO with Q T
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, UTG+2 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t120, UTG+2 calls t120

Flop: (t495) K 4 A (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t335, UTG+1 calls t335, UTG+2 folds

Turn: (t1165) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t725, UTG+1 calls t725

River: (t2615) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1670 all in

Second hand is Stars $50 $70k gaurantee. There's no serious history going into the BvB confrontation here as blinds are pretty low and it hasn't been folded to me much. Flop and turn bet are so obvious, and by river it's pretty reasonable I can have an ace or two pair, plus there are missed draws in his range. Thoughts?




Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t3096 M = 41.28
CO: t3461 M = 46.15
BTN: t5173 M = 68.97
Hero (SB): t3850 M = 51.33
BB: t4166 M = 55.55

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with J 7
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, BB calls t100

Flop: (t300) 5 8 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t200, BB calls t200

Turn: (t700) A (2 players)
Hero bets t475, BB calls t475

River: (t1650) K (2 players)
Hero bets t1100
04-08-2010 , 08:25 AM
1st hand is pure spew imo especially preflop with a hand that dosen't do very well against two generic limpingranges and are gonna get 2+ callers 90% of the time. Postflop skills and position are not gonna make up for how tough winning the pot postflop is gonna be.

2nd hand is fine

In general though you should be bluffing less in the late tournies than the early ones, a lot of people are looking for excuses to be heroes in the early morning hours.
04-08-2010 , 08:54 AM
Agree with everything Mori said.
04-08-2010 , 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mement_mori
1st hand is pure spew imo especially preflop with a hand that dosen't do very well against two generic limpingranges and are gonna get 2+ callers 90% of the time. Postflop skills and position are not gonna make up for how tough winning the pot postflop is gonna be.

2nd hand is fine
Yeh, don't like preflop in hand 1. Know you don't like limping, but you know they have better high cards, pps, medium or suited aces, or suited connectors if they limp/call. I would cbet this flop into 2 players. When you get called, villain generally has an ace or flush draw. Don't think he folds to the turn bet often. Maybe he folds a K or Axs. Think I check behind on turn and hope to hit. Maybe then fire small on river to fold a draw.

Hand 2. Villain usually bets this flop if checked to, so maybe checkraise or even check/call. I would bet the turn with the ace hitting and having a decent draw.

On the river, the bdfd hits, which makes your bet less credible, as you might check if you had something. Guess you are representing a set or an ace. Seems like you are saying you were bluffing the flop, but hit the turn, and aren't afraid of the 3-flush on the river. Either that or you flopped a set or straight or hit the back door flush. Seems like it is more likely to villain that you are 3-barelling. Can't win without betting, but don't know if it is worth it.
04-08-2010 , 10:39 AM
Hand 1 is a well thought out 3 barrell, board texture is good, and your thoughts are spot on. I like it. I however would have bet more like 275 on flop so the turn a river bets are a tad larger relative to pot size.

Hand 2 once he calls the turn I go bye bye bye! n'sync style.
04-08-2010 , 10:54 AM
Hand 1 is cool in theory because your preflop range appears very tight and you will be shoving AQ on this river, the problem is a random in this tourney will probably just shrug call ax.
04-08-2010 , 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudge714
Hand 1 is cool in theory because your preflop range appears very tight and you will be shoving AQ on this river, the problem is a random in this tourney will probably just shrug call ax.
yeah this don't triple barrel a high boards vs randoms.
04-08-2010 , 01:31 PM
1: Pre is close, I'd just limp along. Give up turn.
2: wp
04-08-2010 , 02:51 PM
i dont mind the raise pre i make it a bit more, id give up on turn

hand two i like
04-08-2010 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudge714
Hand 1 is cool in theory because your preflop range appears very tight and you will be shoving AQ on this river, the problem is a random in this tourney will probably just shrug call ax.
yes i don't like hand 1 at all, you don't have a big enough stack to ship profitably on the river to get Ax to fold ever i think. this field is exactly as you described and given you have <1psb you pretty much have to expect his plan on the turn was to call your river shove. if he has a draw, you can beat a lot of them! i find that if you can narrow someone's range well enough in these spots, you can double barrel and occasionally value check behind on riv and hope queen high beats the 78cc or some bull****. obv it's not like i'm always going for 2 barrels for this move but if you can rule out a bunch of hands from their range then you can get more precise with it and sometimes look like a friggin' genius betting 2 streets for "value" with q high just to showdown vs small cards.

hand 2 looks very good.
04-08-2010 , 09:48 PM
So assuming villain can't take his single rebuy in hand 1 do people dig it substantially more?
04-08-2010 , 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
So assuming villain can't take his single rebuy in hand 1 do people dig it substantially more?
not substantial enough to still not like it, but it does make a difference.
04-08-2010 , 11:30 PM
Think preflop in hand 1 is interesting. I think limping behind is interesting. Your hand isn't much, but you have position.

Raising is OP's style. It requires a lot of aggressive play on later streets. The raise in position also looks loose, so you are likely to get called, and you could get 3-bet cold or by the first limper.

I would either limp behind or fold. I like a loose raise in position, but I would want to have a little more of a hand, like QTs or KQo or something.
04-09-2010 , 05:00 AM
agree w pudge for hand 1

2 is fine but bet more on all streets
04-09-2010 , 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
So assuming villain can't take his single rebuy in hand 1 do people dig it substantially more?
i dont think it makes much of a difference to most in this tourney
04-09-2010 , 12:53 PM
Question- How long you been at this table and do these players have any info on you?

Hand 1 sounds like you up against a calling station that will not release an Ace or is just snap calling with a draw. Since you have no info and he is calling on this texture I give up on turn.

Hand 2 Is fine, but with the lack of info I agree with others about triple barrel against randoms with no info.
04-09-2010 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingDan
i dont think it makes much of a difference to most in this tourney
Agree with this.

      
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