in the $ with 30-40 left in the 1k. if you fold, do you go with JJ?


PokerStars, $500/1000 Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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Board:
s00tedj0kers (MP1): $15,219
DCJ311 (MP2): $13,918
seth115 (MP3): $78,044
graybone (CO): $57,183
BadcardsAA (Button): $16,336
portomartins (SB): $35,436
Faborizer (BB): $31,740
Luie Sojo (UTG): $35,677
melikman (UTG+1): $26,957

Dealt to graybone T T

Pre-flop:
(2 folds), s00tedj0kers raises to $15,119 and is all-in, DCJ311 calls $13,818 and is all-in, (1 folds), [color=red]graybone

Your stack is fine if you lose and theres too much value to fold for me.

its close here with TT but given they both have under 15 bbs their ranges r wide enuf where shipping is good
also u have them both covered by a lot and not too many people behind u who can eliminate u (they dont have u covered so a bit less to worry about someone else waking up with a hand)

I'm getting them in.

Even without reads I would call.

With reads about table dinamic , or player reads about how often he is shoving would be easier to say.

Get it in and hold. You definitely have s00tedj0kers 15bb shipping range crushed and I think DCJ is calling with hands you beat (specifically 77-99 AK AQs)enough of the time to make this profitable.

This; also DCJ is prob AT+, but AJ is for sure in his range.

AT being in DCJ's range here is absurd

i'd fold, with 15bbs from ep in a 1k i don't think any good players range is going to be much wider than 77+ AQ+ AJs+ maybe KQs


with JJ it's close and would depend on what i thought of dcj's calling range, with no reads on him other than the fact i know hes a reg i'd probably assume its something like 99+AQ+....but it could deft be tighter, given that he only has 13bbs i think its unlikely to be tighter and maybe even a little more likely its wider, i would call with JJ

I think this is a fold and JJ is probably the borderline hand.

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I call.

its quite close but hmm i think id go with 1010+ and AQ+

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Todd, i only got 30% equity with TT which i assumed made it a fold and 35% with JJ which i assumed made it a call

Hand 0: 25.676% { 55+, A4s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 37.753% { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 36.571% { TT }

Again I'm with NSB here fold 10-10 but I call JJ

this looks pretty good
allin it is....weeeeeee

yeah im sure s00tedjokers loves those breakeven/3% ev shoves with 15 big blinds

While he may not be shoving that thin, the range you posted is absurd.
I think this is pretty reasonable:

55+,A8s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo 27.124%

88+,AQo+ 39.322%

TT 33.554%

like i said if u think s00tedjokers (a good mtt reg whos made lots i believe) is taking 15bb breakeven/possibly slightly losing/but at very best marginal EV shoves, then nice range, you win.

FWIW, Joker's open shoving range can be considerably tighter for this to be a very close call (if we were last to act).

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

51,814,501,200 games 67.454 secs 768,145,717 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.550% 28.27% 01.28% 14650257744 660896902.00 { 55+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.234% 35.79% 01.44% 18546192120 746279326.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 33.216% 32.53% 00.69% 16854126672 356748436.00 { TT }

This of course does not account for any villains waking up behind us... but it doesn't seem that most of you have been taking this in to account (it isn't actually that big of a consideration considering stack sizes). Either way, our equity is affected much more by what pairs the second villain is ISOing with, rather than how many broadways Joker is shipping. Fwiw, I think I would add 77 to the second range, and maybe a couple combos of 66, as well. I really do not understand how you ended up with 30% equity, though.

Regardless, I really doubt that either of villains ranges are this tight in practice. In fact, I think this is probably a perfect opportunity to put a theory I am contemplating to work.

Halo's Theory:
When facing a shove pf from a regular, it is better to assume that his range is wider than theoretically optimal than to assess his range as optimal or (gasp!) tighter than optimal.

First of all, not all regs are perfect at shoving, and those that aren't almost always err on the side of shoving too light (of course there are exceptions). Second, even if you know a player to be theoretically perfect in strat discussion, there are so many more intangibles that would lead this player to be shoving too wide, rather than too tight (one or two tabling with considerable opportunity costs, has to piss or eat, tilting, been card dead for three orbits, etc..)

I might be wrong, but I feel like most winning players are too optimistic when faced with a marginal decision, which will, obviously, result in a wider range.

Theorem one day?

Hand 0: 30.671% 29.35% 01.32% 2541850744 114423486.00 { 77+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 37.250% 35.85% 01.40% 3104442698 121590409.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 32.078% 31.39% 00.68% 2718896030 59220405.00 { TcTd }

This range is much closer to the actual ones than smok's imo. Caller could be a bit looser though and shover might have a couple more pairs.

With 15 BBs (pretty much the minimum resteal stack these days) and the blinds about to hit, he should be.

Don't like it. I think if it was specifically late position or <10BB it might be accurate, but I think 15BB EP/MP raises, or 20BB+ LP raises are rarely too loose with regs since I think a lot of people like to preserve their potential reshove stack.