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12-02-2007 , 06:21 PM
I butchered this... I have tons of options pre, what line would you take. Opener has a solid image. My image is very aggressive right now, I'm fairly new to the table (orbit and a half at most) I just shoved over a MP open and isolated an all in a couple hands before that with 88. Any comments would be appreciated...

PokerStars Game #13609904189: Tournament #68054691, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2500/5000) - 2007/12/02 - 17:03:59 (ET)
Table '68054691 214' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Ols82 (172893 in chips)
Seat 2: bearw8 (21735 in chips)
Seat 3: iemins (100952 in chips)
Seat 4: grapedrink07 (194739 in chips)
Seat 5: magikchris (145830 in chips)
Seat 6: Umilenie (201822 in chips)
Seat 7: Radiihead (139106 in chips)
Seat 9: alvaro442 (45824 in chips)
Ols82: posts the ante 500
bearw8: posts the ante 500
iemins: posts the ante 500
grapedrink07: posts the ante 500
magikchris: posts the ante 500
Umilenie: posts the ante 500
Radiihead: posts the ante 500
alvaro442: posts the ante 500
Umilenie: posts small blind 2500
Radiihead: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Radiihead [Kh Qh]
alvaro442: folds
Ols82: folds
bearw8: folds
iemins: folds
grapedrink07: raises 12500 to 17500
magikchris: folds
Umilenie: folds
Radiihead: calls 12500
*** FLOP *** [4d 2s Qs]
Radiihead: checks
grapedrink07: checks behind after a looong time
*** Turn *** [8h]
Radiihead: ?


and wheres that built-in converter I heard about??

Last edited by ShowUthExit; 12-02-2007 at 06:26 PM.
12-02-2007 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShowUthExit
I butchered this... I have tons of options pre, what line would you take. Opener has a solid image. My image is very aggressive right now, I'm fairly new to the table (orbit and a half at most) I just shoved over a MP open and isolated an all in a couple hands before that with 88. Any comments would be appreciated...

PokerStars Game #13609904189: Tournament #68054691, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2500/5000) - 2007/12/02 - 17:03:59 (ET)
Table '68054691 214' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Ols82 (172893 in chips)
Seat 2: bearw8 (21735 in chips)
Seat 3: iemins (100952 in chips)
Seat 4: grapedrink07 (194739 in chips)
Seat 5: magikchris (145830 in chips)
Seat 6: Umilenie (201822 in chips)
Seat 7: Radiihead (139106 in chips)
Seat 9: alvaro442 (45824 in chips)
Ols82: posts the ante 500
bearw8: posts the ante 500
iemins: posts the ante 500
grapedrink07: posts the ante 500
magikchris: posts the ante 500
Umilenie: posts the ante 500
Radiihead: posts the ante 500
alvaro442: posts the ante 500
Umilenie: posts small blind 2500
Radiihead: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Radiihead [Kh Qh]
alvaro442: folds
Ols82: folds
bearw8: folds
iemins: folds
grapedrink07: raises 12500 to 17500
magikchris: folds
Umilenie: folds
Radiihead: calls 12500
*** FLOP *** [4d 2s Qs]
Radiihead: checks
grapedrink07: checks behind after a looong time
*** Turn *** [8h]
Radiihead: ?


and wheres that built-in converter I heard about??
Fold pre maybe? It just seems awkward calling OOP for 3.5x BB and your image. when you are only going to have 3x the pot on the flop and you are easily dominated if you hit sometimes given his image.

I think with your image bet/call AI might be best on this flop, I'd make it like 25k. He might be tempted into making a bad call or even a shove w/ AK or some weird hand as a bluff.

He checks behind too much if he misses fearing that you are going to put a move on him I think.

I suck at these turn spots, too, but I probably bet like 30k and call a shove.

CRAI is fine, too, because I think he puts a delayed c-bet in here a lottttt.
12-02-2007 , 08:58 PM
k I lead out on the turn for 23k and he called after about 5secs. River was 7

what u do?
12-02-2007 , 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShowUthExit
k I lead out on the turn for 23k and he called after about 5secs. River was 7

what u do?
Check/call , let he bet his missed flushdraw?
12-02-2007 , 11:13 PM
i like ur preflop, flop, turn line. My initial thought would be to check-call but I don't see many hands that this guy is going to be bluffing w/ here that justified the turn call. He likely has a middle PP or an ace and given ur image, he's going to call ur river bet pretty light and is also pretty unlikely to raise u if he's ahead(unless he has a monster).
12-03-2007 , 04:14 PM
I really messed this hand up. On the river for some reason I convinced myself that he had somethin like 99-JJ and that he would call a small bet. Right now it seems like a very easy c/c, but I lead out on the river for a little over half my stack and then proceeded to get shoved on.
12-03-2007 , 04:29 PM
Check raise flop looks good with your image. As play lead the turn and c/c river
12-21-2007 , 12:57 AM
i play good i guess
12-21-2007 , 05:05 AM
Why do people want to checkcall the river, i'd just bet the river again since we have the best hand so often.

Id probably checkraise the turn though since people like to bet when checked to twice, and if he checks back we can vb river and get called light, and we only don't like seeing an ace river really
12-21-2007 , 07:12 AM
I think that you will be missing a ton of value by not betting the river. He most likely would have C-bet the flop if he had a flush draw. Also given your image he is not going to give you a ton of credit. With the line that you took checking the flop, betting the turn there is a solid chance that he is not giving you any credit and coming over the top of you on a stone cold bluff or calling you with a ton of hands that you beat. If he happens to have QQ or 88 take your cooler and call it a day.

      
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