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02-14-2012 , 02:29 PM
vilain is a good reg. no history between us. nothing special happens at the table so far. (i lost 1/5 stack on other table)

Poker Stars, $200 + $15 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 8 Players
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Hero (SB): 4,030
BB: 5,030
UTG: 5,030
UTG+1: 4,940
MP1: 4,965
MP2: 4,261
CO: 5,814
BTN: 5,090

Pre-Flop: (45) K K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to 75, 5 folds, Hero raises to 285, BB calls 255, UTG folds

Flop: (645) 3 7 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets 330, BB calls 330

Turn: (1,305) A (2 Players)
Hero ?
02-14-2012 , 09:00 PM
I probably lead again. Either way I feel like there aren't too many Aces that make it this far. More like 99-qq. I might check and see if he tries to turn his hand into a bluff. But more than likely going to be calling both streets.
02-14-2012 , 09:21 PM
check and then wait he bets to know what is his range exactly...
02-14-2012 , 10:46 PM
two options
1) rep the A and continue betting turn and river
2) check the A to let him know you dont like it - then snap off two streets of bets

given your bet size on the flop i like option 1 better. if you had bet flop in the 400-500 range i'd like option 2 better
02-14-2012 , 11:16 PM
so you guys auto give him no Axone he calls a 373r board ? hmm, betting seems pointless on turn as most of you have no clue what to do if he calls 570 for ex, an 8 comes and you .... ?

c/c turn c/c most rivers depending on sizing/timing, most will play str8 fwd on such a dry board
02-15-2012 , 12:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
so you guys auto give him no Axone he calls a 373r board ? hmm, betting seems pointless on turn as most of you have no clue what to do if he calls 570 for ex, an 8 comes and you .... ?

c/c turn c/c most rivers depending on sizing/timing, most will play str8 fwd on such a dry board
I agree that betting the turn is pointless since he'll prob fold all of his 88-qq hands, which i think is a big part of his range. However, i don't think that he's gonna bet those hands ott, so does c/f turn is bad?
Eventually i c/c 600 ott and river came another A....?
02-15-2012 , 08:29 AM
bet turn 666
c/f OTR

ez game
02-15-2012 , 12:12 PM
What Aces are you guys giving him, calling a 3 bet out of the BB and floating the flop. They only A ill give him is AQs maybe. Im playing this hand still for value if its me.
02-15-2012 , 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by betrthanphil
What Aces are you guys giving him, calling a 3 bet out of the BB and floating the flop. They only A ill give him is AQs maybe. Im playing this hand still for value if its me.
Agree w Phil on previous comments and this.
02-15-2012 , 01:42 PM
Represent the ace because your flop cbet was weak ie say AK fits that style and bet now 2/3 pot at turn feeling happy you hit it. If he calls its see ya... Or hit a 4% miracle K at river and get his entire stack.

You do not bet because of value, you bet to avoid getting bluffed because if you check all AX and all pairs and all draws or total air will try to bluff you since there is now way in hell one bets the flop and then stops if they have AX or have connected stronger all that often. So by checking you tell them damn i hate that ace. Well dont tell them that!

Plus keep in mind that this 4% river miracle is golden, its like an implied odds of 16% due to how much you win from them if they have the ace or some 2p or other set. So the betting the ace even against some range that has AX and getting called even 60% of the time is not exactly a terrible idea because of the hidden low probability bonus plus of course the fact they fold everything that is smaller than A pairs and almost never bluff you that way.
02-15-2012 , 05:12 PM
i think betting turn has no point because he wont fold any A if he was calling A high on flop or if he was floating and hitted the A, and he wont call if he flated any pair pre imo. so i think is check and see how he acts on turn.
02-15-2012 , 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by masque de Z
Represent the ace because your flop cbet was weak ie say AK fits that style and bet now 2/3 pot at turn feeling happy you hit it. If he calls its see ya... Or hit a 4% miracle K at river and get his entire stack.

You do not bet because of value, you bet to avoid getting bluffed because if you check all AX and all pairs and all draws or total air will try to bluff you since there is now way in hell one bets the flop and then stops if they have AX or have connected stronger all that often. So by checking you tell them damn i hate that ace. Well dont tell them that!

Plus keep in mind that this 4% river miracle is golden, its like an implied odds of 16% due to how much you win from them if they have the ace or some 2p or other set. So the betting the ace even against some range that has AX and getting called even 60% of the time is not exactly a terrible idea because of the hidden low probability bonus plus of course the fact they fold everything that is smaller than A pairs and almost never bluff you that way.
i have no idea wtf you just said as it makes 0 sense
02-15-2012 , 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
i have no idea wtf you just said as it makes 0 sense
Thats ok you will understand as you grow up.
02-15-2012 , 09:06 PM
Flat the first time.

Can we have a special forum specifically so Masque and Unrealzeal can circle jerk?
02-15-2012 , 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by masque de Z
Thats ok you will understand as you grow up.
I'm pretty sure I am older than you , old man....
02-15-2012 , 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pfranco18
check and then wait he bets to know what is his range exactly...
wut?


Also, Phil - spot on with everything. Ty.

      
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