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12-03-2007 , 02:21 PM
Villain seems kind of spewy and bad although I haven't seen him showdown anything horrible. I've been tight.

Poker Stars $100 $9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t3220
UTG+1: t7040
UTG+2: t12410
MP1: t7994
MP2: t22025
CO: t4484
BTN: t6957
SB: t5275
Hero (BB): t7041

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
UTG calls t300, 3 folds, MP2 calls t300, 2 folds, SB calls t150, Hero raises to t1500, 1 fold, MP2 calls t1200, 1 fold

Flop: (t3825) 6 J A (2 players)
Hero?
12-03-2007 , 03:21 PM
start off by checking and calling the flop if he bets. I might fold turn depending on betsizing and reads etc.
12-03-2007 , 03:40 PM
I'd generaly c/call stack off
12-03-2007 , 04:37 PM
Check call. I think your check after that big-reraise will seem suspicious and will put him on his guard (unless hes a donk) so there is a good chance that he will check behind
12-03-2007 , 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fsoyars
Villain seems kind of spewy and bad although I haven't seen him showdown anything horrible. I've been tight.

Poker Stars $100 $9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t3220
UTG+1: t7040
UTG+2: t12410
MP1: t7994
MP2: t22025
CO: t4484
BTN: t6957
SB: t5275
Hero (BB): t7041

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
UTG calls t300, 3 folds, MP2 calls t300, 2 folds, SB calls t150, Hero raises to t1500, 1 fold, MP2 calls t1200, 1 fold

Flop: (t3825) 6 J A (2 players)
Hero?

So by my calculations there is 3600 in the pot and you have 5541 behind.

Giving up on any A high flop with KK is weak, especially given the pre-flop action.

Lets say you make a continuation bet of 2200, can you keep going on 3541?
It is reasonable to assume that if he calls or even raises you after such a bet you are beat and should probably give up. But realise that if you bet here, 90% of the time, only worst hand will fold and only better hands will call.

Has this guys been aggressive? How did he get his big stack (did he triple up with AA, against KK and KK after playing like a nit or has he been active)? If he is the active type maybe it is time to let hime try to represent the A and check-call. Now with such a play you get worst hands to put more money into the pot.

Your play here has to be based on average and not this time. If it turns out he has an A (this time) and flopped it so be it. But given the action he may well have QJ or 99, and if you get vilain to put more money into the pot when you have him beat, then you have accomplish more than having him fold a worst hand than yours (IMHO)!
12-03-2007 , 05:27 PM
check and reevaluate depending on betsizing, timing, etc
12-03-2007 , 08:27 PM
if U had KJ would this be hard? Whats so different. Check fold.
12-03-2007 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobiusstri
if U had KJ would this be hard? Whats so different. Check fold.
So, if you made this raise preflop with KJ and got one caller, you would c/f this flop?
12-04-2007 , 12:25 AM
For those saying c/call/reeval - this seems really bad given stack sizes. I have 5500 behind going to the flop and the pot is 3825. I don't see how I can c/call a bet of 2k or so leaving me 3500 behind and a pot of 7825. Seems to me we're either stacking off on this flop or not.
12-04-2007 , 12:39 AM
I think check fold is best option here. I mean really what are you beating? 10's j's q's all reraise preflop. Not to many hands he coldcalls without an A imo. With your stack I wouldn't want/feel like i need to stack off here.
12-04-2007 , 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by getballed
Check call. I think your check after that big-reraise will seem suspicious and will put him on his guard (unless hes a donk) so there is a good chance that he will check behind
I assume villain bets 99% of the time with any possible holdings he has so why not lead and charge for draws if youre going to call anyway?
12-04-2007 , 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fsoyars
For those saying c/call/reeval - this seems really bad given stack sizes. I have 5500 behind going to the flop and the pot is 3825. I don't see how I can c/call a bet of 2k or so leaving me 3500 behind and a pot of 7825. Seems to me we're either stacking off on this flop or not.
Agree c/c is stupid, its either a c/f or crai if u check which i think you should given you have about 1.5psb left and this situation is a wa/wb for the most part.

Like I said I would check and reeval and make a decision based on timing, bet size, etc
12-04-2007 , 02:08 AM
CRAI! I do not think that he is playing with Ax here because of the weak limp early position. I think that he can open limp-call a large range of hands like suited connectors. I think that a check raise all in is a proper play in this situation.
12-04-2007 , 05:51 AM
Don't bet and don't fold on the flop. Call if he puts you in on the turn.
12-04-2007 , 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZJ123
start off by checking and calling the flop if he bets. I might fold turn depending on betsizing and reads etc.
Correct answer IMO.
12-04-2007 , 07:55 AM
check call turn if flop check checks?
12-04-2007 , 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus
I assume villain bets 99% of the time with any possible holdings he has so why not lead and charge for draws if youre going to call anyway?
You just put in a very big raise PF representing a strong hand, so when you check the flop after that what does that say? Most of the time your trapping. Unless your one of those weak nits that see 2 spades and shove the flop, ending all action. Of course you will be checking AA here. Only a moron of a villain will be betting TT/JJ here, what are those hands beating? They are all losing to AA/KK/AK. Only a donk shows up with AT/J/Q here.

Given your action preflop + check on the flops represents a trap and a thinking player will check behind here unless he has a really strong hand.

If he checks behind on flop 2/3 pot on the turn and be ready to get it in
12-04-2007 , 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZJ123
start off by checking and calling the flop if he bets. I might fold turn depending on betsizing and reads etc.
ummm no u put in to much preflop and u have the best hand a ton of the time, bet call, kinda sucks but its the best option
12-04-2007 , 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
ummm no u put in to much preflop and u have the best hand a ton of the time, bet call, kinda sucks but its the best option
I fail to see how bet call can be profitable at all. Can u plz explain?

I'm thinking crai or check call and get in on turn are best options given stack sizes.

Also, how do we proceed on the turn if flop is checked??
12-04-2007 , 02:52 PM
Ever notice how the "common spot I suck at" threads get the most divergent views?
12-04-2007 , 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
Correct answer IMO.
Bond and ZJ pls explain how we can c/call/reeval with our stack size if he makes any reasonable sized bet on the flop. This makes no sense to me.
12-04-2007 , 03:18 PM
ur pretty much commited to pot after u c/c flop i think c/c flop and c/f turn line is very spewy. crai on flop.
12-04-2007 , 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaaaaaaa
ur pretty much commited to pot after u c/c flop i think c/c flop and c/f turn line is very spewy. crai on flop.
Ask Raymond Rahme how much he likes this play.

Still, is probably the correct one IMO.
12-04-2007 , 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
ummm no u put in to much preflop and u have the best hand a ton of the time, bet call, kinda sucks but its the best option
betting here is horrible imo

      
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