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Spot w 80 left in WPT 10k at Hard Rock (Florida) Spot w 80 left in WPT 10k at Hard Rock (Florida)

05-02-2011 , 08:39 PM
Villain in question is an older asian guy whos been on my direct left since the start of the day and i guess we have played roughly 4 hours during that time when this spot comes. hes basically a fish, very cally pf and i saw him open limp several times (even utg once or twice), although he did open pf considerably more than maybe i would have expected him to (should also note He made his pf raises w big hands considerably larger- ie: 3.5x instead of 2.5). My image is prolly pretty standard young kid/decently aggro/etc etc.

Less than a full orbit before the hand in question, it got folded to the btn, i 3b in the sb, villain in question cold called w roughly 40-45k(at 1k/2k) and tank folded when i cbet like an 8 hi flop. The very next hand he got in his last ~30k or so aipf w QQ when the guy on my right 3b a random open w 83s to ~12k and flipped in the remainder of the asiain guys stack. Board ran out of a fun T83KK so asian guy now has 65 or 70k i guess. Very next hand it folds to asian guy otb and he makes it 7500 i think and bb tanks and eventually folds w like 25-30bb i think, claming AJ. villain showed AKs.

3 hands later comes spot in question.

blinds are 1/2k/300A and i have ~130K. folds me to and i open QQ to 4500. villain thinks for a few seconds and makes it 12.5k i believe w about 60-65k behind. folds back to me, Hero?

a few other notes:
-villain started day with 70k or so built up pretty easily to around 100k i think and within 1 level or so bled a ton all the way down to 40k...
-i dont care about mincashing but i think the villain very much does altho i could b wrong

Last edited by ucftennis12; 05-02-2011 at 08:44 PM. Reason: few extra notes
05-02-2011 , 08:51 PM
Crazy ****ing internet kids and their 3bets with 83s. I was at the table, I think this is a pretty brutal spot vs. that guy. I'd probably get it in but very, very reluctantly.
05-02-2011 , 08:59 PM
26K/c...not folding

shoving might be better but ppl make sick laydowns live to shoves so prefer him calling JJ to the 4b than folding to the shove
05-02-2011 , 09:03 PM
Todd do u think CiB/folding is completely absurd vs this guy? how much would it matter if it was a 1500 as opposed to a 10k?.

Last edited by ucftennis12; 05-02-2011 at 09:15 PM.
05-02-2011 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Oscar Belgium
26K/c...not folding

shoving might be better but ppl make sick laydowns live to shoves so prefer him calling JJ to the 4b than folding to the shove

rly not a fan of 4b here at all, think id rather fold b4 doing that vs said opponent. and fwiw even against a good player i was doing this for value vs, i would never size it 26k. bit too big imo
05-02-2011 , 09:38 PM
vs good opponent u can def go smaller

but villain isnt good........

is he was srsly SOOOO tight? guess u could flat / maybe fold even

but def dont like it with ur "std young aggro image" or w/e
05-02-2011 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ucftennis12
Todd do u think CiB/folding is completely absurd vs this guy? how much would it matter if it was a 1500 as opposed to a 10k?.
I don't think it's completely absurd but I wouldn't do it. You have to be really sure how he's going to play various hands for it to make sense. In a $1500 I think you can feel better about getting it in here.
05-02-2011 , 11:33 PM
3b to 25-28k and get it in. That sizing is good, its not too big.
You'll still have like 35bbs IF he has specifically the 2 hands that beat you and IF those hands hold at showdown. He must do this with AKs, JJ, maybe TT too. What about gameflow? Is he feeling more confident, edgier lately? etc.....There's definitely a type of nitty where they break out of it from time to time. Especially if you have the young kid/never has it image.
The fact that if everything goes wrong and you double him, you'll still have over 30bbs makes me want to felt QQ here.
05-03-2011 , 04:42 AM
no one like the cawl eh
05-03-2011 , 06:49 AM
I have read OP twice, but to be sure: how many times vilain 3bet during the previous 4 hours you had spent next to him ?
05-03-2011 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pierrot_63_97
I have read OP twice, but to be sure: how many times vilain 3bet during the previous 4 hours you had spent next to him ?
and this is prolly the most important question here. if its first time, i call.. if its happened a few times (in position)--time to put him to the test
05-03-2011 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pierrot_63_97
I have read OP twice, but to be sure: how many times vilain 3bet during the previous 4 hours you had spent next to him ?
3 times in total maybe, it might even be 2. and not just vs me, im talking vs anyone at the table. and yes i considered this and still jammed fwiw
05-03-2011 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
no one like the cawl eh
just call and ck fold on 7 hi flop! i knew i shoulda did that! haha
05-04-2011 , 05:27 PM
Online this is an easy 4b/call. Live not so much. You know the guy is never doing this light. His range is probably JJ+ AK. Possibly 10s but that depends on your read. I think his range also depends on how much you have been raise folding. I would call here and reevaluate his hand based on his betsize on the flop. If it comes 7 high you can call and see a turn. If he continues to barrel the turn confidently you can probably put him on AA/KK and fold. Taking this line you lose 12.5k pre and 10k-20k otf worst case scenario. You might flop a set to stack him and you might have him beat already but based on your reads he probably isn't bluffing and will play his hand face up post-flop.Why unnecessarily risk 35bb when you could safely risk 10-15 and find out the same thing? Internet players may not like taking this line but he will give away his hand strength postflop a lot of the time.

      
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