The guy that went all in was playing VP:38 PR:32. He was playing very aggro witnessed him 4 bet like 4 hands in a row. And also witnessed him check raise all in in a 3 betted pot. Never seen him show down any hands so he I couldn't class him as a donk who made mistakes. So what do you do here? call or fold?

Lol nice x/r on the flop....now what?

can you explain why you didn't lead the flop?

this hand is missing a cbet

Yea.. v 1 player. we can maybe check. But not v multiple. cbet

I actually like flop c/r. This board is bad for our range, so we want to check it a very high % of the time, so we have to check it with overpairs as well. After BTN bets we want to c/r in order to get it in vs him before the board gets too scary (he got just 15k on the flop and the pot is 6k).

However, now that CO shoves I believe we have to puke/fold.

lol. cr makes your hand completely face up and anybody with half a brain will fold like 100% of their range that doesnt beat KK

you cr bluff this flop a lot?

Can c/r J8, T8, JT. If he is really stabby can c/r A8 too.

those would be the combos to do it with, but do you often open those utg and then cr vs the btn in a 3way pot here? at a table full of wizards who you have or plan to have lots of history with, i could see the merit in such shenanigans, but i think just betting twice with both of those hands at a typical table would probably work just as well.

edit: (oops deleted, was thinking of a diff OP)

There is not really such a thing as a "turn plan" on a drawy board when you c/r the flop with 2,5-1 SPR. You just shove the turn if he doesn't get it in on the flop.

ya mostly, i also was thinking there wasnt much info about villain in the OP but then i looked again and edited, against this type of villain ya u just dont fold/give up(after cr).

I absolutely despise spending time on threads replying to people with 1 or 2 posts who don't even have the courtesy to follow up or appreciate the feedback.

Wow relax... I'm check raising because I figured against two aggro players there is more value in checking too induce bluffs then betting. I agree though that leading probably would have been the better play here as after I raise my hand looks ridiculously strong and I'm not getting much action from cognizant players. After the CO shoves it's a fold unless you have a read that he is a bad player.

too shallow to do that with a stack that is less than 100bb.
hard to play turn/river with under pot stack

You shouldnt be raising this flop. You should be betting it or calling after checking. You bet because its idiotic to let AX get there cheap and the draws etc. So screw the check trap crap you all like here with big hands. At least if you had bet and got raised it wouldnt be such a huge all in now.

As played this is very easy to fold. But damn, burning 7k=11bb so easy. 3 players involved. 2 check raisers? Noway in hell this is not often very big. Only some super moron players risk so much here as played with a bluff or a weak semibluff. This is the real thing or set or 2p or straight and rarely its a pair plus straight draw plus backdoor flush draw, maybe A8s with backdoor fl. draw and gut straight and overcard. It can also be a slow played AA. You need 32% to call chipwise so call it 36-35% ICMwise/skillwise etc.

The problem is this guy can just call and yet he goes all the way, knowing the risk of getting called through a risky looking check raise that can be AA ,KK, or set itself is substantial plus the other guy can also have something that is set, 2p, straight etc a small nonzero fraction of the time. Very often the real hand here to play so strong. If the guy is a maniac and not on a lucky streak you can get a double up later. I dont think any combination of hands gets you over 30% here. He must hate to slow play sets, 2p on such board also and a straight also loses value sometimes. So he can be doing that with all the semi bluffs of merit and the real hands. Evan some A8s hand with bd fl.draw here for a bold semi bluff is still over 32% vs KK (but that is still nasty stunt to pull vs a check raise on 2 opponents action). But then you have the sets and 2p and straights and slow played AA,KK and it never clears 30%

I refuse to call this bet. But i wouldnt be there to face it that way because i would cbet/call that flop or check/call only.

ok so ur stack sizes are pretty much 47bbs and 26bbs (irrelevant that ur at 60+bbs cuz noone has u covered)...with bigger stacks like 100bb +, i would like check calling for pot control to gain value from flop bluffs and even double barrel bluffs and sometimes three streets of value when opponent double barrel bluffs, hits K Q or J on river and value bets it because you are underrepped a lot. playing with 47bbs and 26bbs, however, i think that a cbet is WAY more profitable than a c/r because against normal opponents u usually only let people that are ahead of KK continue on the 975 board when u c/r, so u lose all of the value of ur hand...by cbetting u disguise ur hand a LOT more and allow these loose aggro opponents stack off with any 9 they would play (the 26bb stack definitely anyways)..also maybe TJ etc...after u c/r and the villain that's 47bbs goes all in, i would call off exploitatively assuming that the guy shipping is a donk and would stack off 47bbs with any 9 and maybe spaz ship TJ hoping that ur c/r bluffing with AK KQ etc...but i think playing against tougher opponents the correct play is probably fold.

You ruined the hand, now fold cuz he has a set 99% of the time