So, i've been botching lots of bvb spots in highr buy in tourneys. please help me. I'm having trouble finding the right balance of how to play vs a 10-20 bb stack (a good reship stack) in the BB when it folds to me in the SB.

Sorry I'm at work and don't have the HH, but i remember details pretty clearly.

So i've been at table just about 3 orbits. 1st orbit it folded to me in sb vs same dude on a 20bb stack in bb and i walked something like T7o to him. BB was tight, hadn't played a hand in the time i've been at table.

Blinds 300/600 a75
My stack ~13,500
BB stack ~8500
9 handed. it folds to me. I have J6o and Jam.
I calculated the ev of this play against a calling range of top 19% at about -150 chips----two antes or a quarter of a bb.


At the time I thought that it was really close albeit really ugly to a Jam so i decided to error on the side of aggression. I also decided to jam because the BB was on only like 13 bets after his bb was posted and walking him would be a free ~17.5% of his stack. Is this a really terrible play? Even if i knew this was a slightly -ev play when it came up, should i still jam just to keep pressure on a shortish stack? Is it ever good(when should i be?) to raise fold here? Should i just be paying attention to the ev of my shove and muck here if i think it's really close/maybe slightly -ev?

Against a tight player I don´t think you made a mistake.It is about 1600 for you to steal,around 20% your stack.I shove here ATC;

Never,ever raise/fold here.

it's 1500 in pot pre i have ~13.5k, so it's more like 11% of my stack i gain if i steal.

Thanks for the response.

any and all comments appreciated, even if this is trivial to anyone who views, post your thoughts please.

nice shove

Sry I mixed up stacks.I still think against this kind of player is a shove,not any two tho;J+ .

so even though very marginal or slighly negative ev you like it? are u shoving any two here or walking a percentage of hands?

It's not -EV because a player who's tight enough that he "hasn't played a hand since you've been at the table" isn't going to be calling anywhere near the top 19% of hands he's dealt, especially if you gave him a walk last time. He's probably calling with something like 66+, A8o+, A2s+.

Shove 72o here IMO.

Could you raise/fold 72o? I mean pushing is probably better than folding, but you are not pushing AA, so why do you have to always commit your whole stack?

ye, against extremly nitty bad players I will sometimes raise/fold crap even this short

well when i got to the table like maybe 25 hands ago the guy was on 20 bets, so he def had limited playability, maybe there were just no spots. so i'm not sure how tight he really is, i just thought like 19% looked good assumin some level of competence b/c its a 163. maybe this is a bad assumption.

also to those who were saying maybe r/f, a lot of the time in small-middish stakes i like to r/f like bottom 30% r/c like top 15% and push the rest, i kno theats not really balanced but seems to work at those stakes so maybe like r/f bottom 20 r/c like top 20 and jam rest? i dunno but i usually also kinda assume i should be just jammin like 100% of my range b/c this is a 163 (except monsters play dem tricky) and he had a good reship stack....maybe that is a bad assumption again tho.

but thanks for feed back all. not a bad jam. fwiw he tank called A9o which made me like it even more but when it happend my friend was like wtf and iw as like erm maybe that was bad.

I'm pushing AA here.

So am I.

y arent u pushing AA here??

i def shove AA here

+1

y push AA? A complete or small raise looks perfectly normal here. If u have an opponent folding like 80% of the time, y waste AA?

Y should u push ne 2? You can small raise bad hands or complete and bet the flop.

If villain is not real tight, I don't see what's wrong with giving a walk with 42o or whatever.

I generally like pushing, but wouldn't do it with real strong or real weak hands.

You can also raise 4xBB with some hands and push ne flop.

Just think there r a lot of plays here, and no reason to always push, except to simplify things so u don't have 2 think preflop or postflop.

it's bc a ton of players push atc in these spots soooooooooooooooooooo much... now when u see a smallish raise or limp it looks really inducive and a lot of players will actually put u on a much tighter range.

There is this brand new concept in the world of poker called BALANCE....

Then y push 72o, when you can raise small or complete, representing a big hand?

ye this.

also:
against a thinking player, sure push AA.
but bb is a bad, weak player, right? So pushing AA here as a default seems like a big waste.

im def shoving j6o

and im def not shoving AA vs this guy

i dont give a **** if its exploitable to limp/minraise like superrr polarized ranges people are just bat**** ******ed and i really dont see how vs a random shoving can be optimal