Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 9 players
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MP1: t10110 33.70 BBs
MP2: t17845 59.48 BBs
CO: t29725 99.08 BBs
BTN: t8725 29.08 BBs
SB: t13915 46.38 BBs
Hero (BB): t15400 51.33 BBs
UTG: t9420 31.40 BBs
UTG+1: t3176 10.59 BBs
UTG+2: t8980 29.93 BBs

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is BB with 5 4
4 folds, MP2 raises to t700, 1 fold, BTN calls t700, 1 fold, Hero calls t400

Flop: (t2250) 6 2 9 (3 players)
Hero bets t1360, MP2 calls t1360, BTN folds

Turn: (t4970) K (2 players)
Hero bets t3260, MP2 calls t3260

River: (t11490) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t7800

No idea who the guy is, played a few hands with him. He super insta snap called turn bet, now Im wondering what on earth he has.

lol i think happily fold don't think you are ever ahead, occasionally a random flush draw MAYBE.. he never folds to a shove either.

As played I think river is either another [probably large] bet or a c/f, and I prefer c/f.
I'm also c/r'ing the flop a decent % of the time and likely barreling turn, but stacks aren't that great for it here.

dont like ur flat then lead into him. but fold river

Check raise flop to start
If ur gonna lead here lead lead lead now jam river allin
As played ya gotta fold now, bad line tho

Haha thats its, this forum is officially pointless. WP

I think you played it fine. And I also think river is alot closer than most people here think. Look at his bet. Size implies he is sorta polarized. Sure, some people level and bet that amount w/ QQ etc. but not many. So, he looks like he has a flatted K (unlikely), a flopped monster (also not v. likely, most people would play it faster on that board), a whiffed flush (makes sense, but obv. not a huge lot of combos) or AA (makes sense, but not alot of combos)

I think I shrug and fold river, but I am not hating a call,.

You are losing here 95% of the time imo.

I know what you're thinking and your reasoning has merit, but I think you need to know more about villain to hero here. His timing on the turn still kind of makes me want to call, but that could just be me hating folding.

I also prefer c/r flop, I think it's a more credible value line with pfr's position and the texture. He's going to c-bet lots, and you're going to get a bet from the button trapped a fair bit, which makes it my preferred line with sets and 69s when I'm feeling frisky pre. I also think you generate more FE by c/r flop and inflating the pot. Leads for a smaller % of the players stack are psychologically much easier to call, and it's unlikely that you can successfully value-bet when you make a flush or successfully bluff when you don't, so you just end up at the river with a PSB behind and no good plays.

Really well said. While reading the thread, I was trying to think of how to say pretty much exactly this. Glad NSB saved me the trouble.

yeah, as played either shove or c/f, prefer the last option

I agree with this

Dont be such a ffing coc ky dic k.....u ask a question u get an honest answer, if u think ur god then dont ask questions because u already know the devine answer......

only thing u beat now is missed NFD....and even a "missed" Khigh FD turned a pair and is pbb valuebetting river after u check.....

It resambled me hand I played few days before. I would definitelly fold to huge river bet.

Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t40 - 9 players
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SB: t9559 M = 11.80
BB: t6588 M = 8.13
UTG: t5060 M = 6.25
UTG+1: t15029 M = 18.55
UTG+2: t9950 M = 12.28
Hero (MP1): t13772 M = 17.00
MP2: t6222 M = 7.68
CO: t19189 M = 23.69
BTN: t5560 M = 6.86

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is MP1 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t885, 1 fold, Hero calls t885, 5 folds

Flop: (t2580) 3 6 T (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1285, Hero calls t1285

Turn: (t5150) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t2855, Hero calls t2855

River: (t10860) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t3600, Hero calls t3600

Final Pot: t18060
UTG+1 shows 5 4 (a pair of Fours)
Hero shows J J (a pair of Jacks)
Hero wins t18060

lol at op smack talking dana gordon.. also hand above fold river, r/get in flop imo

Its hard to argue a C/r in this spot as 99% of pretty good regs would always do it. It is possible I have been playing a bit to much cash where I am used to deeper stacks. In a 100bb spot its pretty bad to re raise get it in here, and when your Check raise gets called your in a really lame turn spot.

As for this pot here I could do the standard thing cause its standard, but when Im called I have a really bad turn stack size at almost 1.5x pot. Sure I can just jam turns repping a draw, but I really dont like that line.

By leading here I can possibly fold out some better hands on future streets that would get it in a fair bit on this flop. The lead also leaves me with a perfect stack size on the river to whatevah I want.

I obviously made the call purely based on hes timing. I do agree with everyone that it was a pretty damn terrible call. The reason I posted this hand was really just to see if other people had as much trouble putting my opponent on a value range as I did.

All in all my call was terrible. Looking back at it there is no doubt I shoulda jammed there river. Because of hes timing I think the very top of hes range is Kxdd and while he probably calls that there is a fair bit of hands he can fold.

Also hating on this line because its not standard is just kinda funny to me. Then again, never stop playing poker.