I'm not saying he wouldn't, but doesn't it seem like he's taking this line with a vast portion of his range, at least some of the time? It all comes down to how often he's doing it with QQ+/AQ/flopped flush and how often he does it with air, and how often he has air to start with.

That's kind of the nature of the spot though of course he is going to be taking this line with made hands and air, that's why it can be a good bluff spot, but it all depends on the opponent in the hand because what people are willing to call the 3rd barrel with varies and is a huge part of what makes or breaks hands like these.

easily

and folding preflop given this live read is really really bad

wow cornell fiji, you basically just spewed a bunch more giberish when you have no idea what you are talking about, probabaly just trying to bash stealth munk but to anyone with a brain you just sounded ******ed...

munk is representing a flush, bigger queen, over pair, set... a reasonably wide value range


also im assuming munks plan on the flop was to bet planning on betting multiple streets. I was at the table, he shoved the river pretty quickly as if he intended to all along. I'm assuming he was gonna blast any non heart ,non board pair rivers. lots of pair + draw hands peel the flop and even turn that will fold the river that makes 3 barreling this board effective, unfournately its most effective vs someone who hand reads and you can be sure will fold a Q to a river shove and im not sure that was the case with this villian, bc hes ******ed and doesnt hand read well enough...

i definitely dont hate this bluff, but might not be good against this particular villian. I was pretty sure when he snap called the flop bet and the timing on the turn the guy has a Q + heart near every time.


also i think maybe you should bet smaller on the flop and turn to setup a river shove for closer to pot

Yeah that's what I was saying with the bet sizing - when you can put villain on such a narrow range as here it helps to have a more intimidating river bet size, plus it obv makes it so you have to be bluffing more often for him to call (not that most villains will think of this, just the bet size in general that it's a higher % of the pot matters tho).

Despite the fact you get less "value" out of your bluff that way, if you're committed to a triple barrel (when it blanks out), you need to be setting it up to get the best FE/Value ratio on the river and as it stands you're betting just too little.

The reason you take this line with AQ QQ+ in the first place is so the fish that don't know anything pay you off with QJ. It's a fact I often forget myself.

On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being great and 1 being the pitt D

I'm giving this a 12

What the hell do you rate bluffs that actually work?

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The river is the only street i like

edit: well i guess i like flop after preflop action

i would tank and then fold preflop

You should probably be apologizing for the space in between every god damn character instead of the CAPS.

Not sure if this was serious but I'll bite.

I definitely have some stipulations though and didn't want to get into a dick waving contest in the forums unless this is actually going to happen but:

1) Quarter million each
2) Must be played live at your choice of TStone, NYC at an underground club, Atlantic City (any casino)
3) Money must be posted up front (obv).
4) Blnds will be $300/$600 with each player starting with $250,000 and playing freezeout style


I am extremely busy right now I am not going to have a liquid 250k for a few months but if you want to set a tentative date for any weekend in December then I am definitely interested in doing this.

Contact me on AIM (*removed*) to discuss further.

-Steve


PS- feel free to post this online, repost this PM, and brag about your impending conquest in BBV or feel free to politely decline and I won't even post about the offer and it could look like I ignored your comment. If you are interested though and if you don't mind waiting a few months then I would look forward to the opportunity to play you.

O_O! Trolling Internet forums is always +EV Kids. Always!

300-600, 250k deep is too big for me.

200-400, 80k deep to start, reload at any time is as big as I can play.

I got ownt in the preliminary dick-waving contest, but I then offered to pay for his travel if he could come out now!

As I said in the PM, the 3/6 250k freezeout is nonnegotiable.

I'm not going up to Verona NY for you to quit me after realizing you are in for a world of hurt. I also believed that intelligence and advanced play are more important while deep stacked and wrote memorization and button mashing is important while short; if I were you I would want to try to get me to play at a stake where I could justify making plays like in my JT hand but (thank god) I am not you.

There will be no negotiation about the structure unless you wanted to decrease the blinds. If you refuse the structure that I very clearly said was the only structure i would play with in my PM then the convo can stop here.

If you are worried that decreasing the blinds will take longer I will promise to pay the additional rake.

As I explained in my follow up PM I have too much **** going on to even think abut playing this in the next couple months but if you are as excited by this opportunity as I am then I am sure that we can make this happen. I said december bc I know I will be free all month, I will be away in oct/nov but we could probably play the week after thanksgiving or maybe early October too

I'm not playing a freezeout where one cooler can equal you walking out thinking you are the man.

I will play 300-600nl, and I will play for infinite hours until I lose 250k or you lose 250k, I just won't sit with 250k.

If you want to play 400bb deep, we can lower it to 150-300nl, and I'll sit with 125k to start. I just want more than one shot if you set over set me. Period.

Its bull**** that you can't have 1 or 2days to play poker over the next couple months you ****ing fish. PICK ANY DAY I'M FREE ALWAYS. You can give me a range of dates even.

As I said in PM, I'll pay for your flight to Verona, I'll pay for your room in the lodge, assuming you bring 250k to play me in hunl. We can even talk with Turning Stone about us both wiring 250k to some place, please let me know now, as I'm there now and I can talk to people about setting it up.


Edit: If you are insistent on a freezeout format, we can play a series of freezeouts, whatever stakes you want.

I refuse to play you in one freezeout though, for the whole shabang, thus maximizing variance for the superior player, and giving the ****** the most chance to hitnrun win.

You are really dumb, but you should understand that I'm not goin to go through all this trouble to get aces vs kings first hand, shake your hand, and leave.


If you stick to a ONLY ONE FREEZEOUT I'M CORNELL FIJI ****** format, then, gfy, you are probably lying about the money anyway as you are a degenerate **** whom i know burned a bunch of 2p2ers money playing tourneys where u are clearly -ev in in the wsop.

deal.

unlimited 125k freezeout with 150/300 blinds until someone is up 250k is fine with me.

the fact that you believe aces vs kings the first hand while 400bbs deep is necessarily a huge cooler is why I am not willing to play you any less than 400 deep.

and while I was staked in the WSOP I won money for a bunch of 2p2ers, I didn't burn anything but that is really neither here nor there. If you are interested in doing this at the terms provided then it will happen. If not, then it will not happen.

You burned expectation.

Ok, unlimited 125k, 150-300 freezeout is fine, I'd prefer 100-200nl 80k freezeouts until someone's down 3. If you'd rather have that, we'll consider that a deal.

The fact that you don't understand aces vs kings is a huge cooler in a hunl game regardless the stack size is why I am willing to pay for your travel and stay to get this match going.

Edit: WHY ARE YOU INSISTING ON FREEZEOUTS? FREEZEOUTS INEVITABLY RESULTS IN SOME SHORTER STACK PLAY. LETS JUST PLAY A CASH GAME BUT NO1 CAN LEAVE UNTIL THEY LOSE 250K. THATS FINE.

I admittedly would rather play 200bb deep than 400bb deep only because I have more experience 200bb deep, but w/e. How about cash game 150-300nl, 400bb deep to start, can't leave until someones down a quarter mill. Have to reload if you fall below X stack , etc.

You understand with freezeouts there is gonna be more button mashing!

Stealth,
If you are selling action pm me.

This would be so sick if Cornell Fiji was a huge angler just pretending to be mentally ******ed on a public forum to set up a huge hu freezeout.

Unfortunately, I've heard from several smart people that have played with him in person, that he is actually as dumb IRL as he appears on the internets.

Its also sick that somehow this stack I blew off in a ****ty TS 2k donkament with 100 people might turn out to be ******edly +EV!

I'm still not so sure if Cornell Fiji is serious with this, but I'm 100% ready to put every last penny to my name for this match to happen. I do find it odd that someone fully backed for WSOP donkaments is issuing 250k challenges, but I also know he is a huge degenerate, and cocky, sooooo. *crosses fingers*

Cornell Fiji,

Do you take your advanced poker ideas to the game of PLO ever? 4 cards? More fun! Someone said that you remind them of a young vanessa selbst and she is ' Ms. PLO!'

Maybe we can get some half half?

Ok,

Talked through PM,

So 100-200nl, 80k freezeouts. Nobody can quit until someone is down 3 freezeouts. I agree/prefer to this structure.

Please say in this thread that you like this structure.

Then we can start talking about dates and wiring money to TS and other stuff!

grudge matches are always more epic when the two people dislike each other so I actively approve of this, but please take it to BBV, cause we always need more callout threads for lots of moneys.

I found this incredibly odd as well - maybe CF realizes he's burning equity in donkaments and doesn't want to eat the variance (I can't imagine he's -EV even doing tard things) himself so he just uses the stakes to try and go for the big score?

Only thing that seems logical IMO, anyone willing to play this $250k grudge match should be buying themselves into the WSOP events and selling action on the bigger buy-ins, not getting staked for the entire series.

So yeah, one way or another CF is a tard: either he makes tard plays and burns equity, or he's as good as he thinks but is a tard for being staked.

i rathe the bluff a 7 on a 1-10 scale with 10 being the best.i think u have a lot of fold equity when u put him all in for his torney life.also i dont like the 3bet pf with a hand like a9o OOP rather have like 23o imo.

He also has to be a tard for claiming he can't alot 2 days to a huge hu freezeout sometime before December.

He is obviously lying.

ANY 2 DAYS BUDDY! ANY 2DAYS! LETS DO THIS. I SIGNED ON AIM N ITS NOT EVEN NOON AND ALREADY PEOPLE WANT MIN 50K ACTION NOT COUNTING ME DUMPING OUT MY ENTIRE BANK ACCOUNT TO PLAY YOU HU OMG.