4th hand at table, he basically insta bets flop and turn. Is 4 betting pre/folding to shove fine? I just insta assume people have aces when they put in that min rr pre w/o reads.

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MP: t3590
CO: t3875
BTN: t2965
SB: t3600
Hero (BB): t6790
UTG: t1205

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to t160, 3 folds, SB raises to t240, Hero calls t160, UTG calls t80

Flop: (t720) 6 9 3 (3 players)
SB bets t640, Hero calls t640, UTG folds

Turn: (t2000) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t1120, Hero folds

dude hes got 78s... clubs or not doesnt matter, it just sucks if he has clubs.

edit*- kind of jokinig. but im not folding here, because of the min rr preflop. i give that absolutely 0 credit when you're this deep. i'm going to say it's a suited connector or PP.... actually thinking about it he could def have a set here

wat.

anyways i wouldnt fold here in a 6 max, jamming turn looks good in a 75 6 max.

I think Im just gonna start doing the opposite of what my first instinct is.

Holy cow it's an OOP minraise of an UTG minraise. I'd fold turn, you're not ahead of enough hands here, if he could have JJ/TT (which I think is really unlikely given pre) then he could have 99 maybe 77 as well, etc.

I'm very very very rarely folding this 6max

I either 4bet pre or shove turn


and assuming a min rr pre is always AA is ultra leaky imo.

66,33 and very likely, possibly 77, unlikely 9 but who knows. i just think he's trying to take the lead in the hand while OOP bc he's not strong

lol bananaments

wat

stfu



I guess you can shove the turn now.If Sb makes a standard 3bet pf you obv insta ship QQ there.Afterall its a 6max low BI tour ppl will show up with ******o things there all the time, and its possible that SBs standard 3bet pf is a minraise and against a standard 3bet pf range like TT+,AQo/s you are in good shape here.

yea jam the turn

he min3bet to take control of the hand, ldo. min3bets at the ~40/80 level (basically anything before antes) tend to be hands like suited connectors and low pairs (IME)

and wutank, ill **** on your life, stfu plz. they're ~45+ BBs deep pre, even if villain makes a normal sized 3bet, the only reason i'd 4bet shove ever is simply to balance, unless you want him folding out everything but the top of his range

i'd totally get it in pf here

ahaha "to take control of the hand" ,the 2003s are calling, want their strat advice back.
When he makes a normal 3bet to 600 you obv 4bet AI.

and you are a moron.

2nd' otherwise shove turn imo, unless you know he's a newcombe

[QUOTE=WuTank;4516591]the 2003s are calling, want their strat advice back.
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and you guys are really blasting off pre here?

im much more likely to do so if he makes a normal 3bet pre to 600, but i still wouldn't, i think he definitely folds wayyyy too much of the time to a 4bet.

but maybe thats just because i open a lot 6max and get 3bet light pretty often.

and wutank, if you think there is no merit in taking control of a hand, especially while out of position, you're simply ignorant. he's going to win this pot way more often my clicking it back here and cbetting strong than he will flatting a small pair or something and check/calling check/folding.

taking control of a hand 45 BBs deep with the only person that has voluntary enterd has only 18BB?
Also min 3bets dont tend to emmit control to anybody.

lol sorry guys i was bananed as **** earlier when i read this/was posting and didnt even realize UTG was in the hand, i thought hero OMR'd UTG and guy clicked it back from SB 45+ BBs deep

folding qq is really terrible. I would treat a minraise as crap untill you see op do it with some consitency. I don't like calling as that gives orig. raiser good odds to call so raise pre. As played I like calling the flop now raise the turn.

It depends on your view of the SB. BB is minraising UTG with 15 bb effective. When SB min reraises it is some ******ed spew or ******ed way to try to bet-size 2-3 streets all in vs you/UTG with AA/KK. At least, with stack sizes taken into more of a concern with the pf rr amount from sb. I like how you played this and would play it the same as he is setting up for a nice river shove with his turn bet size imo. As a standard, I would have 4bet/got it in vs both villians if SB made it 600 or whatever instead of a mrr.