Live 1k wsop circuit event Chicago. We're playing 6 handed since other 3 haven't gotten to their seat yet. 10 K starting stack 25-50 blinds. 1st 3 hands were raised to 400 but not by villain. Villain in button makes it 350. I look down at QQ and make it 1200. He thinks for 1 minute and says...you got a big hand? and calls.

Flop 224 with diamond draw. I bet 1500 he thinks for 1 minute and shoves all in. I say "this is sick" and look at him. He seems nervous. Online this is obvious a snap call. Live is this...
A.snap call
B.reluctant call
C.snap fold
D. reluctant fold.

Call

Also, should I be flatting here like always preflop to the 7* raise. If I do raise, should I be checking the flop to get 9s through js to bet? I figure once he flats his range is 8s, AK+ with AA being excluded. With no reads I'm just not sure if he's the type of player to get 10's or J's all in here this early.

snap call

Well, if his hands are jittery or w/e i fold, very reluctantly. But if it is more of a, i got a flush draw please drop your pp look....i gotta call. i think they have 10-10 and JJ and Ax draw often enough to call here, but i really aint surprized at all when they table AA/KK/QQ.

Call yes

uhh this def is not a FML spot

lol do you call so snap guys?
Maybe i'm a big moron lol but i'm not surprise to se AA/KK here (hoping you have a big pair to pay him), obv 99-jj are in his range and in middle stage i snap-call but at 25/50 i vote B (but maybe also D)

LOL at his speech and raising 7X. Ever see that WSOP episode where Hachem asks some guy "are you making a move on me kid?" while holding AA? This is similar. I'm pretty sure live+speech+early in the tournament (cause people in a 1k prolly super tourny life nit)=fold.

this

The intersection of {people who open for 7x preflop} and {people who call 3bets in position with KK+} might be the empty set, but in any event it's extremely small. That plus the usual discounting of KK+ with a 7x open tells me to get it in. I don't think what Villain said preflop is of any significance.

I'm pretty sure it is since that board isn't one to for him to spaz out or try to bluff me off AK. I think he truly thinks I have a good hand so he's putting me on 10's + for sure. However, I think this early with JJ he just calls on the flop and doesn't reshove. Like I said I have no reads so I'm just thinking how I'd play JJ in his spot. AKd,AQd are also a possibility which he'd probably shove as well but AQ prob folds preflop. I'm mainly wondering if my preflop raise is a big mistake this early on since I'm telegraphing what my hand is and am rarely going to stack off with the best hand on the flop if I get it in.

you cant be 3betting a 7x open pre and cbetting a 224 board w. QQ and folding. i mean, maybe you can, i just cant do it. id much rather flat pre and play accordingly. of course, against a clown that 7xs it pre, and me having QQ 6handed, ill just sa easily go broke on this flop flatting pre as i will when 3betting pre.

QQ 6 max. not folding.

im not a fan of 3betting pre and b/f flop. thats really all the coherent thought i can come up with right now

Agreed. I prolly flat pre as well.

The OP says raising to 400 has been the norm, okay not by the villian but live players just copy eachothers raise sizes. So although im sure he is strong raising 7x pf, i dont think you have to assume he has to have KK+. Especially 6 handed. I wouldnt be surprised if hes a complete moron making a "scared" shove with 88-JJ to "get you off your AQ/AK". But I do agree the speech may be a tell here leaning towards KK+ but also dont random live players reraise you pf with that strong of a hand because they dont know how to call with a strong hand in pos and play post?

jw is bb there yet? I flat pre and reluctantly call .

i might be crazy but i would be nutting my pants happy to 3bet and get it in here?

Really?? I think it means everything.. I cant remember one time that someone has made some stupid (screaming i have AA-KK) comment that has allowed me to play 100% correctly against them...

As played I fold, but I also flat pre and play accordingly... its so early and you want to get in with QQ for 1000BB's?

He told you what he had so move on and feel good about it..

I think the speech is a very bad sign but I'm the king of nitty folds and even I can't do it here

online i would have np, but live, against a middle aged live player i dont mind it but a little of me is like sigh really cooler


but yeah i kinda have to agree. op isnt comfortable getting it in though on a 4 high flop though, and if hes not comfortable doing that he shouldnt be 3betting and leading and then be worried about his hand on the best possible flop in the world

ya i think this is dead on. i think it's pretty safe to say you are only behind AA here and i think the likelihood of him having something like AdKd is somewhat likely so it's a call. tough to be in this spot so early in a tournament but alas you created it so now you really have to call

When I lead out, I expect him to shove all in like maybe 3 percent of the time. Saying I have to call because I 3 bet pre and lead doesn't really make sense. It's like yeah hindsight, I've created a crappy spot because I have a tough decision but most of the time he either folds flop or pays me off if he has a mid pair on at least 2 streets. BB was in sitting in the hand. Once he shoves it's so easy to say...man i really should've flatted pre to avoid this mess that only comes up a small percentage of the time. I do think flatting is though just to disguise strength of my hand but raising has it merits button vs sb 6 handed. I think what I should've done is ask him questions and try to soul read because my gut said to fold.

Hmm that's a good point Todd. I still HATE HATE HATE this spot tho.

Its live so you should have more of a read, if u dont then you should be doing more observation. At this point you should talk to him and try and extract as much information as possible. Watch Negraneau on extracting information.

this is what i was going to say except u used much better words and stuff