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Originally Posted by Leonardo80
to all the people saying that raising the flop is ridiculous, makes no sense, etc., think about it:
1) we are rarely way behind
2) even if we are way behind the pot is already so big that we will end up loosing most of our stack anyway because we will have to call a turn bet basically 100% of the times and a river bet most of the times
3) if instead we are ahead by checking the flop we are missing a lot of value from the draws, that represent a high percentage of his range (and we risk to be outdrawn)
so pls explain why raising the flop is so terrible
this is not true, if we flat the flop, (assuming UTG+1 folds out) the pot will be ~1000 and we will still have 2860 behind, we are in no way pot committed on the flop
the turn will be a different story, if he bets big again on the turn we have to evaluate his betsize, timing, and his/our pot committment at that point, hence the saying "call and re-eval turn"
also, if he is "really active" and "a losing player" and he leads on the turn, its better to shove him in at that point (as long as turn is a non spade) as there is more in the pot to win on a turn shove, and you can get him off a naked A
and stuff like that which he might decide to go with on the flop with 2 cards left rather than only one
plus all the pot control arguments, its just generally better to flat re-eval on this sort of flop with these stacks
also stop worrying so much about getting value from draws, get your value from other ppls mistakes IMO
wow that was alot to say hope something in there makes sense
Last edited by jon_midas; 10-17-2009 at 10:53 AM.