the question "are purely image plays worth it?" is actually 2 questions in 1. the first regards my image at the table, and obviously they can be worth it, but they can be tricky to address and i'm not sure if they're always justifiable. the second regards metagame of various breadths, even making high stakes plays so awful that it buys action from good players when i am making good plays. but i'm not sure if the action i gain makes up for how bad the plays are.

i also have always liked to do really stupid and crazy plays for fun and learning, and so i might as well post some of the crazier ones to get opinions on how to tweak them to be not quite so bad, but it started randomly creating an image of me being insane... so that's ok with me... more than ok. but one of my friends was telling me that it's just hemorrhaging money and should just try playing well all the time. obviously something's going ok for me, but i am starting to think that my success doesn't come from the stupid things that i do and maybe they're just leaks. but also, i've been passionate about doing craaaazy things from the beginning of my poker career just to be ****ing crazy, so i've never been able to easily divorce myself from it. but i'm finally starting to have mega huge regrets from the stupid things i do when i end up donking off prize stacks and regretting it. sometimes it works out and sets up good plays, but it's really hard to tell if they're worth it. not like i can whip open pt or sngpt or something to just figure it out...

and in regard to my relationship with this type of dumb ****, does anyone else have any experience with a weird quirk or thing in their game which they think might be a leak but aren't really sure and can't easily let go of? not positive if everyone knows what i'm talking about, but i'm infamous for being a donk and i've done pretty much every stupid thing one could do in poker countless times. i'm not even sure how much is me trying to play "well" - (by well, i mean on the macro level through some micro level awful play) and how much is me just being insane any more. if you don't know what i'm talking about, just dumb dumb **** which sometimes works out, but most of the time not, as that's why it's dumb.... sometimes it's huge stacked stupid stuff, sometimes it's just tiddly winks, like this for example:




Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t247/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t297 M = 0.23
BB: t17930 M = 13.82
Hero (UTG): t8700 M = 6.71
UTG+1: t13947 M = 10.75
UTG+2: t10234 M = 7.89
MP1: t19050 M = 14.69
MP2: t4663 M = 3.60
CO: t28937 M = 22.31
BTN: t14205 M = 10.95

Pre Flop: (t1297) Hero is UTG with 5 6
Hero raises to t1200, 6 folds, BB calls t600

Flop: (t3097) 8 4 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t600, BB folds

Turn: (t3097) 9 (2 players)

River: (t3097) 2 (2 players)

Final Pot: t3097
SB shows A 7 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows 5 6 (a straight, Five to Nine)
Hero wins t1906
Hero wins t1191

i had a pretty good feeling about the hand because i knew if i raised, then nobody would think that i had a weak hand because there was already a guy committed. but that doesn't justify making a play this bad. what i was thinking about was that SB was already all in, so i at least knew that i'd get to show that my hand was a piece of crap unless i got reraised, in which case i'd get virtual odds on my real hands. and at least this one was for very few chips, but sometimes i want to cry at the stupid things i've just done when i knew better.

not trying to further spread the image with this thread... trying to come to terms with my quirk and seek advice on dealing with it.

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haha.... college was over 5 years ago. i'm in europe anyway, so there's no way i could get anything if i wanted to. i am drunk tho.

guess this thread is kind of alluding to the narrative which has been spun about me being crazy and very image oriented. i would think a lot of players are familiar with it.

tl;dr

just stop spewing?

i like your honesty. less is more.

but i'm looking for more specific details on how to actually stop spewing. i pretty much know i should stop, i just can't for the life of me. there's like some demon inside of me which just takes control because he thinks he's the one who's won me all my money and is entitled do do whatever he wants.

I can relate to this demon you speak of, and the single best piece of advice I have been given to cure oneself form these demonic compulsions is to hesitate before clicking whatever button it is you feel like clicking, wait ten seconds, and then click the one you know you should.

I know this guy. He's cool.

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get bakkkkeed toooo

ur not durrr

I ****ing love you

I dunno as long as the buttons you're clicking are raise, re-raise, shove, push, 4 bet, etc I think it's pretty awesome.

Are most of your 'weird' plays just preflop stuff? Or does this carry through to all streets.

But if I saw you do that play above I would snap note you 'super ultra donk' and happily call shoves from you and re-shove against you a lot lighter than I would most people.

(I have u noted dif, obv)

Don't fix it if it ain't broke, amirite?

wonder if that's the same demonn that compelled me to lose 15 large at the blackjack table

is he durrrr?

Sometimes its correct to do so and sometimes its not u gotta figure what factors make image/balance more/less important. You also gotta figure out what kinda image u r trying to portray and how your opponents views u at the time. Its like if ppl think u 3bet a ton already taking a -ev 3b isnt gonna be too helpful. Hope this helps would rather have u do the thinking for urself than to just write everything out for ya.

I usually notice this happens at the beginning of the session for me, but I'm just a huge donk anyways.

I try post-its on my screen to indicate which ******ed **** I should not do anymore. Unfortunately this is on my big screen and I don't dock my laptop enough to see that one

Oh - and playing drunk or tipsy doesn't really help either.

For the rest I'd say making a detailed playing plan might help. I'm sure a lot of guys out there have one indicating hand ranges they use for raising/re-raising/shoving in which situations. But that must be boring as hell.

The urge that sometimes comes up to click call or allin seems incontrollable although I should know better. I wish I had a setup that forced me to think 10 secs.

Anyone got a restraining suit for sale?

everyone is missing the most crucial factor to whether or not this play is okay

its not OK

i disagree that this is not an ok play...ppl min-raising has creating the image for you now you can even min raise 54 UTG and make a profit...i don't even see this as bad...i did same thing at an $11rb and stacked QQ who flat called post rb had the exact same hand if i find it i'll post it, flop 443...if ppl stop 3betting pp's even to the minimum raise whats wron with min raising a connector utg?

i mean you have the sb which you can basically take on ATC it's a small overlay if no one recognizes you are able to min raise against that sb then they need to get better at poker nh OP

not the hand id do it with.

the sb being all in makes the raise much worse, not better...

you're thinking inside the box man

pot stuck to mp2, and losing r/r folding equities.

Also why does it say sb is 247

if you flop straights it sure as hell is