So ive been on the cash game grind for a while so i cant say im an expert with icm. I feel like this is the standard play vs an respectable player. going with 1010+ or should i fold?

Your stats 3b%. Dynamics. Last few hands and stuf like that are prty important
Read less id find a fold prty ez here but could easily be a snap shove given the right dynamics

Ive been the most active at the table- running it. 3 bet folded once and ive gotten some 4 bets through. Villian is bad at poker. I do think I probably shlouldve folded because I have bigger edges to push. I think going wth jj+ and aKo+ would be the threshhold.

reminded me initially of the thread asking for advice on a final table where a guy overrshoves all in and then actually pukes on the table

Why do we have to 3b pre?
Also: do bad villains 4bet w/ this sizing alot w/ a range where we are happy getting it in vs?

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If V is bad I think it's a fairly easy fold to the 4 bet.

Villian bad in a way where I could imagine him doinf this with 99 88. No strong reads but he wasnt icm aware and generally played poor post flop. Anyone sugest a 5bet get it in range?

So the question is whether to put in 510k to win a pot of 1244k. So around ~41% equity to be cEV. For ICM purposes you need significantly more than that.

One optimistic idea is he's raise calling 88+ AQ+ and never bluffing, where you have 47.5% equity, netting 80k on average, that might be enough to justify it in a tough field.

Another idea is he's raise calling JJ+ AK+ and raise folding 88-TT AQ. There you have 34% equity versus his calling range to lose 87k 54%, but win 241k 46%, netting 65k on average. I thought all those folding AQ combos would be better for us, but meh. Also he's committing almost a third of his stack, so it's pretty hard to see him folding much period.

In the close to worst situation he's raise calling JJ+ AK+. Since you only have 34% equity, you'd lose 87k on average and it's basically a total disaster.

I'd basically only jam if I expected Villain to make a lot of goofy bluff raise/folds.

it did feel spew but i also felt like he was light. Just a bit rusty on the icm stage. so you're also folding JJ and sigh getting in qq?

People can provide math support, but its villain/dynamics dependent spot, so f**k knows what`s better here.

If he`s really nitty/bad I think he won`t cold 4bet TT either.
If his range is JJ/AK and no bluffs you should fold TT and JJ as well.

If he can bluff or cold 4bet wider for value then jam.

bad players never cold 4 light here he pretty much has it all the time. I would puke shove with JJ and AK due to icm, I think we can find a fold with TT.

Thanks for responses guys! Whipped the tourney cobwebs away for this year now hopefully . Torneys mush your brain when you've been grinding heads up cash loooool

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What he said. I prob find the muck here more often than not. Seems like his hand is pretty real there unless he is capable of doing that with air...

is 3bet/gii pre std? pretty sure id flat (and NY-backraise cram if getting squezed by villain otb)

Good guys luv family pots, that's quite a natural thing.

Clicked here hoping for a literal puking on live final table felt story..
with that said: Obv very dependent on table dynamics so far, but in general raise, re raise, then another re raise= fold tens here. You are still deep. Esp if you say he is "bad" his play is ultra strong. Wait for better spot. His play is too strong-Bad players prob aren't 4 betting light here, esp at final table with payouts right in their face. Best case with him calling here you are flipping. Would he really call off with 99, 88? As mentioned flatting 10s is prob best. Especially w/ bad post flop players as you mentioned. Why not push your edges post-flop?
Of course I also understand that HU cash background will make you a lil trigger happy in this spot