No reads on villain other than he 4bet me in mp a couple orbits ago and I folded. We're not itm money yet but getting very close. I know I could've 3bet/got it in pre but opted to flat, I'm really only wondering what people's thoughts are on the river.. thanks


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (750/1,500 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12575922

Hero (MP1): 53,311 (35.5 bb)
MP2: 103,320 (68.9 bb)
MP3: 20,294 (13.5 bb)
CO: 152,302 (101.5 bb)
BTN: 58,397 (38.9 bb)
SB: 44,828 (29.9 bb)
BB: 24,864 (16.6 bb)
UTG+1: 51,492 (34.3 bb)
UTG+2: 63,364 (42.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG+1 raises to 3,000, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 3,000, 6 folds

Flop: (9,600) 3 8 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets 3,855, Hero calls 3,855

Turn: (17,310) Q (2 players)
UTG+1 bets 6,865, Hero calls 6,865

River: (31,040) J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets 37,622 and is all-in

Sick spot, I probably fold here...If river was 2 spades you would shove? I don't think so IMHO

Type into chat, "You played that hand as bad as you can, your career is finished," fold, and show.

is someone really using that sizing on flop/turn with a flush draw? doubtful. i call

I'd like to at least know if he is reg or fish, avg buyin, etc, aggression etc

his range can be much wider than a flush, but kinda seems like the way a fish often bets for him to try to catch a cheap flush

certainly imo, if he had sets etc , seems like he might bet a little more for protection(not that he should necc but u know what im saying.)

just seems like even though you dont have much info about him, a little more might help....idk i'd probably fold..9T also got there

But if you were villain, what would you put OP on for calling two small bets like that. Shoving the river would be very risky IMO with any bluff/marginal hand.

thanks, I'll keep this in mind for next time.

So, I had 38 hands on him and he was 18/13 6% 3bet. Other thoughts on the hand are that he's prob not going to have flush draws in my range as much as I thought at the time. AKss and AQss might 3b pre (since I've 3b/folded to him already) other spade draws would raise the flop pretty often and once the Js rivers it reduces my spade combos as well. I don't know if he's considering any of this, though.. he shoved pretty quickly on the river. At the time I thought it was a card that should scare him and he bombed but I guess I was wrong?

Do people prefer 3bet/calling here? I think it's probably better, especially since he's seen us 3bet/fold