you have a point about OPR, but that hand is pretty irrelevant to the discussion

My point is that too many of the people in this thread are completely underestimating the stupidity it takes to cash in only 2% of MTT's. These players aren't achieving these results by overplaying top pair or never folding 88 preflop, they're doing it by super-aggressively overplaying total garbage like 8To. Therefore, assigning any kind of reasonable range (such as TT+ AQ+ or even KK+ !!!) to them is very wrong. Sure it's a generalization, but it seems to hold true to most players I've seen with stats that bad.

You could argue that if he's this bad you can wait for an even better spot, but he's probably spewing those chips away pretty soon, and it's best to get them now before someone else takes them. I'd only fold KK to this guy if an ace hit the flop.

And for the record, ignoring his OPR, I agree that it's a fold on the flop, but ignoring his OPR is a huge mistake.

i jam pre, but the way you played it, pretty ez fold on flop

Why didn't you push pre? If it was A. You put him on a big hand, namely AA, QQ, JJ or B. You didn't and wanted to get it in on the flop because you thought he would be more likely to call a push then.

If it's A, then fold, if it's B, then push flop.

Am I missing something?

Peace

Goodie

P.S. I would almost always discount option A and most of the time push pre but sometimes get it in on the flop.