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08-31-2009 , 11:48 PM

#51

NeverScaredB

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,314

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFish

etc.

Generally you are right though it doesn't take much to figure out if someone is aggro but even then you need a decent amount of history to expect him to 4bet you with a wide enough range to make JJ a happy 3b call, because vs a random who you perceive as tight, 99 is a pretty easy fold in Zadester's spot.

Right, but if he's getting in TT+,AQs+,AKo it doesn't really matter that we're behind a little because we're picking up the pot with the 3-bet so often (assuming villain is raising decently wide UTG).

10-26-2009 , 05:34 PM

#52

kinheim

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFish

i agree with a lot of tiltyjokers posts in this thread
if there is no history here and ur db is weak, thus steve may view you as a random donk, then this is absolutely a fold.
on the other hand, if there is no history, 3betting to begin with is poopstains mcgee

10-26-2009 , 06:32 PM

#53

ur2barredout

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401

Lol @ folding this to zadester.

10-27-2009 , 10:42 PM

#54

Dana Gordon

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,823

definitely shove here
ur 7 handed in a 1k and have JJ with 30 blinds
if u dont wanna get it in vs a 4bet, flat here first time around
dont 3 bet fold JJ

10-27-2009 , 10:51 PM

#55

Bond18

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,633

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASPoker8

more edits: the answer to this thread is ~
if you think he's the type to make that 4b instead of shove with entire range, get it in
if you think he's the type to have a silly, non-balanced nut range when using that 4b sizing in this exact spot, then fold

100% this. Given that it's a 1k, my default is to assume villain isn't a ****ing ****** and knows to balance his ranges so I get it in. However, if I have notes on the guy that he likes to tiny reraise with the nuts and I haven't seen him do it and fold, then I just might get down with a hero fold.

10-28-2009 , 06:37 AM

#56

SEABEAST

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Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,676

zadester is pretty sick, looks like u got wtfowned

10-28-2009 , 12:02 PM

#57

Eagles

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 13,022

I agree with everything tiltyjoker has said in this thread. Especially if villain's sn is a a random mix of numbers and letters I don't recognize.

10-28-2009 , 12:16 PM

#58

Pghfan987

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,936

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker

Have fun exploiting 33bb stack 3betting UTG open by pretty much cib'in a wideish range

I am not saying we can exploit by cib'ing our entire open range, I am saying we can exploit by cib'ing our entire 4 betting range. If villain has AK/AQ or TT, then he wants JJ to fold. I am assuming if villain shoved, hero was going to call. Therefore, if villain does have AK/AQ or TT, then hero was exploited pretty badly.

10-28-2009 , 04:38 PM

#59

mrussel2k1

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,116

Not to mention hero has already put 22% of his stack into this pot and a fold leaves him with the shortest stack and ~25 BBs, which is playable, but this line seems pretty bad.

10-28-2009 , 04:39 PM

#60

mrussel2k1

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,116

Flat/utilize position on initial raise or Shove on his raise imo

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