Lolll live poker. Great call vs described villian. Unlucky.

snap call, ul

No, you take the small edge with the dead money. This is not the WSOP ME, you aren't going to find a lot of spots where you will have a huge edge. An opportunity presents itself where you have an edge, you take it!

A lot of amateur poker players so grossly overestimate their edge these days. You have got to first accept the fact although you may have an edge (not everyone will), it is much smaller than you think. Overall the field's have gotten much tougher and players are mostly competent, even if their are a few huge fish in the field.

I wonder if this would even be debated if it wasn't "end of day 1." End of day 1 is completely artificial, though it's useful to remember that lots of bad players tighten up at the end of Day 1 hoping to make it to Day 2, so you can use that kind of "day 1" bubble to punish them.

I also don't think it's so unlikely that the villain has AA or KK--why would he want to flat that hand against 3 opponents instead of hoping to get it all in vs. you if he has a hand like that? But I still think you have to call there, because TT, JJ, AK, and AQ are all in his range (as well as the other QQ), and even if they're all equally likely, you're still 55:45 ahead.

Even if the field is TERRIBLE, I don't think your edge is so great that you can afford to pass up that edge, since you'll have to take flips sometime. Better to take them with your triple average stack, if you win, then to hope for a better edge with a smaller stack.

I do think many live players have the mistaken idea that their "tournament life" is everything instead of seeing that over time, you just have to take a lot of spots that a lot of the time you are going to lose. That's why a lot of live regs will say things like, "Don't take a flip there." They see the times they're out of the tournament, but they don't see the bigger picture of all the value they lose by not shoving in a spot like this. Even if he showed you AK, I agree that you have to call.

I agree with a lot of this. I definitely don't consider myself a professional, at least not yet anyway. I've got a few 5-figure scores, but nothing that would show up in a db and I'm still waiting on my first 6-figure score (had a couple shots last year but ran terribly in the end of 2 events) before I consider taking a real shot at this and giving up my 9-5.

A very nutshell version of my life story = I grew up around a bunch of the South Florida, Magic: The Gathering-turned-poker players you guys know. Only difference is, while they were pouncing on the post-MoneyMaker and "real poker in FL" booms, I was away in school earning IT certifications .

I've been taking poker more seriously since I earned just as much last year playing poker as just a "weekend warrior" as I did working my 9-5. I only share this all to agree that while I may have an edge vs. the field intellectually, I just haven't had the experience late in spots that some of the more "seasoned" regulars have had, so I'm sure I make some ICM mistakes still and feel like I'm flipping coins in any event with a 1k entry or higher.

TL;DR: At this stage of the game, I'm fine taking small edges with a huge potential payoff.

against this player, we have to call, wp.

I love how those thinking this is a fold pre also think they have an "edge" on the field
You have like 60% vs 99+ aq+ and if you take out aa kk you have like 70% giving up that kind of equity in a massive pot like that is not a good thing to do

Raise smaller, and yes call.

Part of the edge you have over the field is realizing a +ev spot and taking it. You're not against AA/KK almost ever, his range is probably TT/JJ/AQ, small possibility of 99 and QQ, and all combos of AK. Lots of dead money makes for a decent squeeze spot for an aggressive player - he could even just have a blocker some tiny % of the time (even though it's a huge shove).

It is not a flip, you're dominating. Good call, bad result

Nah he's spewy... Win the hand.. Cruise to first placebo chop

Against the V you describes it's a fold. Sucks but folding is prolly correct

Were you the young guy at my table in the back right corner of the room who flopped a set and got rundown by the big guy's runner runner straight (shoving air into me)?

You got it in w QQ vs AQ. How can ppl/you think it was played bad?