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05-02-2016 , 11:05 AM

mrno1324

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$5000 tourney, Colman and villain about 35bb deep with 3.5M stacks.
Colman opens from HJ to 225000, gets called by villain in BB.
Flop Ac 6s Js
Villain checks, Colman cbets 275000, villain check raises to 650000, Colman calls
Turn is Jh
Villain bets 925000, Colman calls
River comes 4s, goes check check

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Sorry for the not-so-meticulous hand history, couldn't exactly copy and convert it.

05-02-2016 , 12:22 PM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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its pretty std by colman at least up to river. river is kind of interesting, if he doesn't bluff this combo he doesn't have much of a bluffing range (maybe QTsx).

it's just explo in game stuff, he's good a lot at SD vs. this ******ed line so no need to bet.

05-03-2016 , 04:17 AM

rm81

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other guy basically reps nothing. Not sure if Colman could of called river though. But villian basically has draws mostly because any value hand would usually be a fold or 3bet pre.

05-03-2016 , 11:30 AM

betgo

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If villain had a weak ace or something, he would probably c/c. If he somehow hit the flop hard, he might also c/c or lead or something. If he were strong and took this line, he would probably bet the river.

05-03-2016 , 11:42 AM

zigi

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It's true villains line isn't the best he represent not much off a hand.Would have worked vs me tough.

05-03-2016 , 12:05 PM

ChanY

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How on earth is it "std" to call a check raise and a turn barrell with a gutshot? Especially holding the Ks makes it even worse since villain has significantly less semi bluffs in his range. Colman probably somehow picked up on villains spazz and is sick enough to go with his read and be right. Tons of metagame and as far away from std as you can get.

05-03-2016 , 01:20 PM

betgo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChanY

How on earth is it "std" to call a check raise and a turn barrell with a gutshot?

Not standard, but Colman had nut no pair plus a gutshot. He beats bluffs and has 10 cards to improve.

05-03-2016 , 02:04 PM

ChanY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Not standard, but Colman had nut no pair plus a gutshot. He beats bluffs and has 10 cards to improve.

The above is correct considering we have access to villains hole cards.

05-03-2016 , 06:53 PM

gamboneee

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Maybe not the best way to look at it but mrgreen is pretty ok at poker; prob never gonna argue his reasons for doing anything

Last edited by gamboneee; 05-03-2016 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Slightly ok*

05-03-2016 , 09:25 PM

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ebet33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rm81

other guy basically reps nothing. Not sure if Colman could of called river though. But villian basically has draws mostly because any value hand would usually be a fold or 3bet pre.

How does other guy rep nothing
He has every 2p combo and 666 which is plenty enough value combos to build a cr range w

05-04-2016 , 08:26 AM

#11

betgo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ebet33

How does other guy rep nothing
He has every 2p combo and 666 which is plenty enough value combos to build a cr range w

If you hit a random two pair, would you c/r the flop? Would you check the river? You might just c/c and let Colman barrel trying to take you off a J or something. BB's line does look suspicious.

05-04-2016 , 11:40 AM

#12

zigi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ebet33

How does other guy rep nothing
He has every 2p combo and 666 which is plenty enough value combos to build a cr range w

I not agree but he could have some Jx combo's.

05-04-2016 , 07:25 PM

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Soepgroente

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This hand is bad from a theoretical perspective, so considering Colman is a good player, we can assume he had a read of some kind.

05-05-2016 , 06:52 PM

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doyougnome

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Basically no Jx combos besides AJ make sense for V to have. Colman can have all the Js and villian just doesn't rep very much with the c/r on turn expect draws mostly. If Colman were weaker, maybe like Q10, I'd expect to see him bet half pot or more on the river. Also, like someone else said, if V does have AJ/66 why would be not bet river to get called from colman's Ax /J10?

05-05-2016 , 08:05 PM

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rm81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zigi

I not agree but he could have some Jx combo's.

It is not that he cant have jx, just that c/r jx does not make sense. It is a pretty trivial check call. Maybe I am a button clicker but I would be 3betting A6, 66, and AJ especially against a tough player and folding j6.

Then even if you peel A6 you get counterfitted on the turn so betting would be questionable.

05-05-2016 , 09:17 PM

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doyougnome

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rm81

The whole point of saying he can't have Jx is predicated on the way it was played, smh

05-06-2016 , 12:10 PM

#17

onehandatatime

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There had to have been some history and meta game appears to be huge in this hand. I think we can argue all we want about how good/weird/bad this hand was, but without the dynamics between these two it's really hard to trivialize it that way.

05-06-2016 , 06:48 PM

#18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

If you hit a random two pair, would you c/r the flop? Would you check the river? You might just c/c and let Colman barrel trying to take you off a J or something. BB's line does look suspicious.

U do know u don't have the highest ROI's as your location suggest don't u?

05-09-2016 , 11:50 PM

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busto23

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When your bank account has 8 digits in dollars you can call CRs with gutshots and backdoors. I'd take the same like in a $11-ament haha.

In all seriousness, I'm surprised he didn't shove river. Coleman is repping some flush draws, and sets. Spade hits, gets checked to, villain never has flush here. His bluff could be 22 so I don't like the check. Also if it was live play that has stuff to do with it.

05-10-2016 , 07:51 AM

#20

betgo

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His opponent's range OTR is 2-pair or better and air. Not sure the opponent would check/fold a big hand with half pot left.

The opponent is basically representing a flush draw with his line, so he probably should follow through and push the river.

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