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High cards left based on previous action applied to pushbotting and stealing High cards left based on previous action applied to pushbotting and stealing

08-29-2009 , 04:44 PM
In limit Omaha/8, you can make determinations of the value of a hand based on previous action. For example, if there is a lot of action from solid players, you fold 23 hands, assuming there are no more aces left to flop. However, if there is little action, then you assume aces are live, and 23xx becomes a valuable hand. Similarly, if there is a lot of action, you assume aces and low cards are dead, and high card hands become more valuable.

In NLHE, there are half as many cards dealt. However, if it is passed to you in late position, aren't high cards liver? I know this has been discussed before and people said the effect is minimal. However, I am not so sure. Suppose it is passed to you in the SB with a something like 72o, maybe you should not be quite as quick to push steal. I really think that the cards people get in the blinds when it is passed around are wieghted toward high cards, not to a huge degree, but significant enough to effect pushbotting ranges and such somewhat.

It is hard to work this out mathematically, but maybe I will do some simulations assuming people open certain hand strengths from certain positions, and looking at the disstribution of cards in the blinds when no one opens.
08-29-2009 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
In limit Omaha/8, you can make determinations of the value of a hand based on previous action. For example, if there is a lot of action from solid players, you fold 23 hands, assuming there are no more aces left to flop. However, if there is little action, then you assume aces are live, and 23xx becomes a valuable hand. Similarly, if there is a lot of action, you assume aces and low cards are dead, and high card hands become more valuable.

In NLHE, there are half as many cards dealt. However, if it is passed to you in late position, aren't high cards liver? I know this has been discussed before and people said the effect is minimal. However, I am not so sure. Suppose it is passed to you in the SB with a something like 72o, maybe you should not be quite as quick to push steal. I really think that the cards people get in the blinds when it is passed around are wieghted toward high cards, not to a huge degree, but significant enough to effect pushbotting ranges and such somewhat.

It is hard to work this out mathematically, but maybe I will do some simulations assuming people open certain hand strengths from certain positions, and looking at the disstribution of cards in the blinds when no one opens.
This will be very good to hear about, many thanks in advance
08-29-2009 , 04:58 PM
I think the term is 'bunching'.
08-29-2009 , 05:25 PM
i remember a really good thread on poker road red pro forum about this w/ barry g, todd terry, djk etc.... let me try and find it


lol it was the 1st active thread hahah that was easy: http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3936
08-29-2009 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
i remember a really good thread on poker road red pro forum about this w/ barry g, todd terry, djk etc.... let me try and find it


lol it was the 1st active thread hahah that was easy: http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3936
Kind of cool the Red Pro strategy forum they have. Not that many posts, but all sort of elite posters in the threads. I think it is worth checking out. Not like this forum where all sorts of riff raff can post.
08-29-2009 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Kind of cool the Red Pro strategy forum they have. Not that many posts, but all sort of elite posters in the threads. I think it is worth checking out. Not like this forum where all sorts of riff raff can post.
Actually, looked through it. The advice is pretty good. However, the OP hands, although usually from high stakes, include some BBVs, some badly played hands, and some stud high, razz, and PLO hands from mixed games where OP clearly didn't know how to play the game at all.
08-29-2009 , 11:26 PM
betgo!

      
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