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Fun, possibly interesting preflop spot in 320 6max Fun, possibly interesting preflop spot in 320 6max

02-27-2012 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
i'm snapping here...if he had 44 faceup im folding, vs T9s im calling
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBears
Also, obv fold if he has 44, obv call if he has T9s
For the 44/T9s this should be obvious, at least the 44 part since I guess the entire question is "how big of an edge do we need to call?"

Def call, as others said you are going to have pretty good equity in his range, even if there are pairs in it, there will a bunch you dominate as well as some random spazzes sometimes. As others said your edge prob won't be very big in this tourney, but I'd probably call this in any tourney. (What I mean is I think calling is still better than folding in a $10 FO, although in that case your equity will probably be a bit better since arguably a fish is less likely to shove complete trash in a $320).
02-27-2012 , 12:11 PM
Not a lot invested in the hand so far. . . Just saying
02-27-2012 , 01:41 PM
I called pretty quickly, he had 22 and busted me and said "lol."
02-27-2012 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
I called pretty quickly, he had 22 and busted me and said "lol."
If he can do this with 22, he also can do it with A5s and yadayadayada
02-27-2012 , 02:05 PM
I knew you were a nit but this is pretty absurd. If you're contemplating folding here because of future edge, I would be in serious doubt of that future edge existing in this tournament.
02-27-2012 , 04:13 PM
obv he has to balance his bust you and laugh at you range
02-27-2012 , 05:26 PM
if you didnt see the KT hand fold, obv he's a dolt for shoving anything at all but its pairs almost all the time and aces or kings a non insignificant % of the time, with the KT hand obv call
02-27-2012 , 05:42 PM
call, call, call
02-29-2012 , 01:13 AM
call and hold to his aq
02-29-2012 , 04:30 AM
The fact that he had 22 made you question whether you should call?

Also raise bigger pre with someone like this at your table.
03-01-2012 , 09:11 AM
This is both fun and interesting, but sticking in over 100bbs pre with AK on the beginning of the tournament seems like to much gamble.
03-02-2012 , 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I knew you were a nit but this is pretty absurd. If you're contemplating folding here because of future edge, I would be in serious doubt of that future edge existing in this tournament.
It's u chuck
03-02-2012 , 02:22 PM
u should delete the 109s question
03-02-2012 , 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueshoes100
Not a lot invested in the hand so far. . . Just saying
This.. fold, you have only 75 chips invested risking 150bb with AK is a pure gamble.
03-02-2012 , 03:32 PM
For those who say "fold" (which I agree with btw), how deep do we have to be to make it a call?

I'm thinking somewhere around 75BBs and below.
03-03-2012 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by wonderdog78
For those who say "fold" (which I agree with btw), how deep do we have to be to make it a call?

I'm thinking somewhere around 75BBs and below.
This seems about right. Definatly calling <60bb deep, Id say 75bbs is probably correct.
03-07-2012 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kevmode
This.. fold, you have only 75 chips invested risking 150bb with AK is a pure gamble.

We can all justify call/fold because we don`t know just how big a fish he is- in a situation like this speculation without much stats is kinda pointless imo

personally I call vs 44 all day because if I bust I just open a few other tourneys which I otherwise could not have played, also like the added EV of a bigger stack. I know djk123 has said he`d happily get it in as a slight dog early on in certain tourneys, because he plays a big stack so well
03-08-2012 , 03:49 AM
If villain ships any pair (which he obviously does, considering results) and AJ+ here (and 109s, just to add one randomish hand), we're 51%... If villain is shipping 22, I assume he's shipping AJ... in fact, he may be shipping KQ/A10 and even worse, making our edge considerably bigger. Considering the added edge a big stack gives us, I would definitely call here.
03-08-2012 , 07:53 AM
Meh I'd fold here I think. I'd snap with JJ for sure but with AK you're never going to have that much equity v his range because of all the small/mid pairs that he does this with . I wouldn't take a 55% edge here , not when I'm 110bbs deep and I have a player like this on the table plus obv you hope to have an edge v the field anyway. A double up here is not going to be that valuable to your tourney chances . If it was approaching midstages , antes were kicking in and you're going to start stealing a lot then yeh winning a double up like this would be huge but not at the 15/30 level
Guess it comes down to how much you value an early double up ?

Last edited by Frogman3; 03-08-2012 at 07:58 AM.
03-08-2012 , 09:19 AM
Do NOT fold suited cards.
03-08-2012 , 10:33 AM
100-120 pre, whats the point of 75? Might as well limp. Like Kleath says, his range are pps most of the time, but he's gonna have ATss+ too. Call in this tourney, fold in a 55 fo,

Last edited by andressoprano; 03-08-2012 at 10:50 AM.
03-08-2012 , 03:00 PM
I like turtles, also postcount, unlucky on the 2s :/

I think I'd snap call, if I had $300 to buy in
03-08-2012 , 03:32 PM
I disagree with those who say this is a "gamble".

We've got info that villain might be crazy and really bad and we are faced to another odd play.

Enough for me to get it. AQ or worse unpaired hands are perfectly possible (and I would say likely) here.

And it's the daily $ 320 on Stars so this might perfectly be the worst opponent we will face.

BTW, another interesting question is our calling range against him: I'd vote for TT+, AK.

      
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