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02-08-2009 , 09:38 PM

miw210

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,562

Villain 43/12/5. No history. Snap pots river.

Full Tilt Poker $33,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 32109
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BB: t3675 M = 61.25
UTG: t3610 M = 60.17
MP: t3975 M = 66.25
Hero (CO): t3695 M = 61.58
BTN: t4820 M = 80.33
SB: t2025 M = 33.75

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is CO with J

UTG raises to t140, 1 fold, Hero calls t140, 3 folds

Flop: (t340) 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t220, UTG calls t220

Turn: (t780) Q

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t780) J

(2 players)
UTG bets t780, Hero ?

02-09-2009 , 02:26 AM

Bond18

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,633

Call. There's no real value in shoving and if he had spades he'd lead the flop most of the time.

02-09-2009 , 04:11 AM

rsxpunk

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,154

ya i call 100%

02-09-2009 , 01:42 PM

DDBeast

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,698

Def call the river, you guys check turn too?

02-09-2009 , 02:26 PM

lucko

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35

I am not sure I get calling here. We putting him on exactly Spades, AK, QQ or 98s? Hard to think he check-called the flop with any of those, no? I think there is a better chance its TT, JTs, QTs that we are up against and anyone of them might still call.

02-10-2009 , 11:40 AM

jnelson214

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 503

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucko

I think the main premise in just calling is, it doesnt allow us to get into a situation for our whole stack. If we re-raise the river lead and villian shoves what are we to do?? FOLD... sucks, right? so that is why a call is the correct thing to do...

any way i am calling 100% and raising probably never..

02-10-2009 , 11:42 AM

Margin Of Error

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call and pay off his poorly played AK.

02-10-2009 , 12:02 PM

Drasis

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 382

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDBeast

Def call the river, you guys check turn too?

ya I bet turn as well

02-10-2009 , 01:29 PM

CompleteDonk

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9,787

Yep, raising river is pretty bad IMO. Not that I'm raising a smaller bet, but full pot bets in my experience are usually quite strong from bad players.

02-10-2009 , 02:11 PM

#10

lucko

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnelson214

If we re-raise the river lead and villian shoves what are we to do?? FOLD...

How deep do you think we are? We basically have pot behind after the call.

02-10-2009 , 03:07 PM

#11

mellyy85

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,204

is it bad to want to bet the turn here? obviously you want to get to showdown so maybe betting gives him too much chance to check raise ???

also is 3 betting preflop here bad? I no u are really deep, but ?

Last edited by mellyy85; 02-10-2009 at 03:15 PM.

02-11-2009 , 04:44 AM

#12

s0stndrd

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margin Of Error

call and pay off his poorly played AK.

lol, this!

02-14-2009 , 03:18 PM

#13

pokerman777

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 537

similiar hand

SB ($7,670)
Hero ($27,415)
UTG ($7,979)
UTG+1 ($8,310)
CO ($7,880)
BTN ($27,986)

BTN antes $25
SB antes $25
Hero antes $25
UTG antes $25
FlawlessV1ctory antes $25
CO antes $25

Dealt to Hero Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $720, Hero calls $480,

FLOP ($1,590) A

SB bets $720, Hero calls $720,

TURN ($3,030) A

check, check,

RIVER ($3,030) A

SB bets $1,680, Hero calls $1,680,

SB shows J

(Flop 9.2%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero shows Q

(Flop 90.8%, Turn 93.2%)

SB wins $6,390

02-14-2009 , 04:59 PM

#14

K 2the ArmA

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 396

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond18

Call. There's no real value in shoving and if he had spades he'd lead the flop most of the time.

all of this; i don't know when he ever calls a re-raise w/ a worse hand

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