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01-25-2016 , 08:35 PM
    Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (1,200/2,400 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37227384

    MP2: 111,789 (46.6 bb)
    MP3: 149,862 (62.4 bb)
    CO: 48,408 (20.2 bb)
    BTN: 57,131 (23.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): 61,486 (25.6 bb)
    BB: 58,125 (24.2 bb)
    UTG+2: 88,246 (36.8 bb)
    MP1: 14,290 (6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J A
    3 folds, MP3 raises to 4,800, 2 folds, Hero raises to 14,400, BB folds, MP3 raises to 24,000, Hero raises to 61,186 and is all-in, MP3 calls 37,186

    Flop: (127,172) 5 5 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (127,172) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (127,172) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 127,172 pot
    Final Board: 5 5 3 8 8
    MP3 showed A A and won 127,172 (65,686 net)
    Hero showed J A and lost (-61,486 net)



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    yeah im back, wtf??????? he is a good reg and I could be light here alot, so he could 4bet light?
    01-25-2016 , 09:25 PM
    Doubt he'll 4b/f 25bb too often. If your plan is to 3 to 5, you made it way too big in the first place
    01-25-2016 , 10:28 PM
    Without any stats/reads, I'd either just call in position with aj or raise to like 10200. When he min raises you, I'd call and if he continues that flop, I'm folding.
    01-26-2016 , 01:36 AM
    Shoving over his open is fine. If u 3b, 3b smaller to like 11111 maybe
    01-26-2016 , 07:44 AM
    shove
    01-26-2016 , 08:30 AM
    I like 12k/fold.
    01-26-2016 , 09:03 AM
    Thanks for your input, wouldnt it be a spot for him to apply max pressure since we might 4-bet some times and we do have a couple of hands on him. I have probably 3bet him before, and it is kind of an obvious spot for us. Stats below, as you can see I'm quite aggro (lol) so man I wanna talk myself into that it wasnt that much of a implosion

    ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
    Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 25, 07:22:43 ET 2016
    Table 1452560741 7 (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 1: Player1 ( 111789 ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 0,0, Hands: 30
    Seat 2: Player2 ( 149862 ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 7, AF: 4,0, Hands: 188
    Seat 3: Player3 ( 48408 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 13, AF: 0,0, Hands: 38
    Seat 4: Player4 ( 57131 ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: 1,0, Hands: 191
    Seat 5: Hero ( 61486 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2,0, Hands: 52993
    Seat 6: Player6 ( 58125 ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 25, 3B: 4, AF: 4,0, Hands: 57
    Seat 8: Player8 ( 88246 ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 1,3, Hands: 82
    Seat 9: Player9 ( 14290 ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 4
    Player1 posts ante of [300].
    Player2 posts ante of [300].
    Player3 posts ante of [300].
    Player4 posts ante of [300].
    Hero posts ante of [300].
    Player6 posts ante of [300].
    Player8 posts ante of [300].
    Player9 posts ante of [300].
    Hero posts small blind [1200].
    Player6 posts big blind [2400].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Jc Ah ]
    Player8 folds
    Player9 folds
    Player1 folds
    Player2 raises [4800]
    Player3 folds
    Player4 folds
    Hero raises [13200]
    Player6 folds
    Player2 raises [19200]
    Hero raises [46786]
    Player2 calls [37186]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 5h, 3s ]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
    Hero shows [Jc, Ah ]
    Player2 shows [As, Ac ]
    Player2 wins 127172 from main pot
    01-26-2016 , 10:21 AM
    +1 to shoving. You get a 16%+ stack boost if you take the pot down preflop. I'm not really sure why you are 3 betting so big, especially with your stack size. Would you 3x it with AA/KK? Obv with this 3 bet sizing you are never folding and AJ is not the hand you want to be calling a 4B shove with...

    Edit::: You SHOULD fold if he flips his hand face up and mini 4 bets.

    Once he 4 bets to 24k I am getting the **** out of dodge as it's almost always AA/KK/ maaaybe AK at worst.

    Shoving > Folding (unless we have info he was very TAG) > Calling > 3B imo

    I put only put calling ahead of 3B cause 3B pretty much commits you to call a 4B jam which is really bad.
    01-26-2016 , 10:49 AM
    Thank you for a very good post gnome.
    01-26-2016 , 04:16 PM
    Im not sure if he's thinking you're light with your stack. I actually dont mind the 3 bet although it is too big. Once he 4 bets he's definitely not light and its a fold. Shoving is ok too.
    01-29-2016 , 02:00 PM
    Were you calling a shove?
    01-30-2016 , 10:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Soepgroente
    Were you calling a shove?
    As a matter of fact I would, I have an aggro image and we do have a couple of hands on each other so I'm pretty sure he is aware of this; both his open and my 3-bet is so incredibly standard, that I felt that the 4-bet probably was weak often enough. But I guess the min-click should have been obvious, I just felt it was too obvious (?)

          
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