Im still not sure about this hand, so figured I would post it here just to see what you guys think.

Its the Betsson Live 1500 Euro event in Portugal, and were down from 339 players to about 25-30ish. Starting stacks were 15k, and at this point I think im second in chips with 450k. Im chippie on my table with 150k more then the next guy. Were eighthanded at this point.

So anyways, I probably got a semi-laggish image - and most people dont wanna play with me, so in this hand I've already folded about 4-5 hands so I open UTG+1 with Kh10h to 27,5k on blinds of 5/10/1. Im pretty certain BB is folding alot in this spot, and everybody is playing somewhat carefully against me, so I think the opening is fine.

Shortstack in CO reshoves for 37k total - Button tanks for about 30 seconds and smoothcalls.
I ask the dealer if I can reraise (knowing I can not, but figured it could seem strong) and call the extra 9,5k.

Buttons stack is about 300k at the start of the hand, he is second chippy on table and is an eighteen year old aggressive Norwegian player. Seems like the best player on the table of my opponents, and the guy I least want to play a hand with.

Flop comes K 10 J rainbow.

The pot is now 135500.

I lead 47k. Villain instashoves 211 more. Hero?

He could have a pair and straight draw or JT, but I think you have to fold this.

You're getting almost 2:1 on the call, honestly I don't think I could fold here but wouldn't be terribly happy about getting it in.

u r only getting 1.64:1 and if u lose this hand u'll be crippled to the point where u gonna regret it.

anyways, what are u beating here? JT? did he really call the raise and reraise with JT against the player who can knock him out of the donkament? KQ? he then has 14 outs so u r flipping. QQ? why wouldn't he 4bet to isolate PF? plus, would he overshove on a board that ur range just hit pretty hard? even if he's silly enough to have done this he still has 10 outs so it's only a 60/40. all other hands have u crushed (AQ, KK, JJ, TT, KJ).

it should be a very easy fold. what did u end up doing and what did villain have?

Considering the shove wasn't a "legal" raise, I'm not sure he could iso.

wat about AA here, he has to smooth pre, because of the under raise, then does he just jam the turn, bein ridic aggro?
i call, but dont enjoy it. i think i call feeling that he knows i wudnt wanna get in a pot wit him, and the shove by him is just to steal dead money in pot. u can lead out on tht flop alot esp wit utg raise.

You only have to call preflop vs an underraise if you've already put money in the pot. Villain hasn't acted yet preflop so he can do whatever he wants.

FWIW I was in a very similar hand the other day except I just had AK. Villain jammed with 99 for the underpair and gutter and I folded. His push was a lot bigger this one though, like 10X the size of my flop bet. I think a lot of bad players have this idea that you're supposed to check it down to knock out the all-in player. If you bet they get pissed off and do something super dumb. I would definitely call here if it weren't for your little speech preflop. If he thinks you have a big hand makes this play anyway then that argues more for a fold.

Even against this tight range though, calling seems best.

Board: Tc Jd Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.126% 37.32% 00.81% 26601 575.50 { KTs }
Hand 1: 61.874% 61.07% 00.81% 43528 575.50 { QQ-TT, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }

- After he shoves its 211 for me to call in a 540k pot, so getting over 2:1 on the call.

Pretty stupid to flat AA with the player allin. Button can reraise preflop. Hero can't.

yea sorry, didnt read post properly. if aggro player then i call against nit i fold.

It's close, but I prob call...esp. with your description of villain

u r right. it's over 2:1 (2.09:1 to be exact). i didn't read the part that said u lead for 47k on the flop, thought u checked.

still, where do u get a 540k pot? it's 211k to win a 440.5k pot. 540k pot would make this a call i think. with 440k it's quite borderline. i think i'd still fold because of the reasons i stated before.

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LOL

never played live buddy

also, my post above wasn't meant to be condescending because I sincerely didn't know, but since you took the opportunity to take a jab (?) at me I will just say **** you.

don't fold

sorry if i made u cry. i suggest u spend ur time on 2plus2 more wisely than u've done so far. if after a full yr and over 700 posts u still don't know the rules of the game... never mind, gl.

I would always fold this pretty quick and then am astonished and outraged that he had 99 and proceeds to suck out on the short stack.

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you have got to be kidding me...this is tilting me...guy with 1,400 posts is laughing at a guy cause he has 700...

dude...talk poker...drop the 7 year old BS

plenty of people here are first time posted who are sick good as there are a lot with a billion posts who still don't get it...

this was ridiculous

Yeah, if his post was a little more serious and less ridiculous I would have pursued it harder. He also joined like 6 months before me, so I'm not sure where he was going with his post. So, um, gl?

I think that AA is also possible albeit not likely. I wish instead of just putting hands into pokerstove, you could put in the hands and then how likely he is to play them that way. Certain players (not necessarily this one) might play AA like this some percentage of the time, but not always so including it into his range seems awkward.

don't fold