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02-18-2009 , 08:52 AM

MUD

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10k Starting stacks, 15 minutes in so no real history

UTG+1 raises to 150(only has ~1500 behind after being coolered), Mortenson next to act raises to 600, I'm in middle position w/ AKdd and cold call, 2 scandis right behind me cold call as well and OR folds.

Flop Kc6x6c
Mortenson leads 1200, I call, 2folds

Turn Qc
Check, Check

River Kx
Check, I bet 1700

Pre-flop fold? River betsizing and does any1 bet turn?

DNA2RNA

02-18-2009 , 08:56 AM

FriedrichF

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well played, river pot is 5k? bet 2,8k

02-18-2009 , 10:36 AM

havenrl

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bet slightly more for value on the river

02-18-2009 , 01:30 PM

AGame18

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Looks good, a little more on river might be better but in general I like to bet small for value esp. when playing live vs. live pros.

02-18-2009 , 02:10 PM

PhatPots

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whether you cold call, 4 bet or fold depends on how the table has been playing and how often Carlos has been 3 betting.

I would probably cold call.

I woulda bet turn, ur hand could possibly be junk by the river if a 4th diamond hits. If the river is a 2 of diamonds and he checks to you, what are you doing? If he bets what are you doing? But on the other hand, check is better for pot control. I am a bit on the fence actually.

I think him checking in this spot is him giving up, so I like a bet more than a check.

02-18-2009 , 06:27 PM

Protential

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Why dont u bet the turn? What does carlos call with on the river with this line? I'm certain he is good enough to realize that u have AK. If u check the turn not only are u allowing random clubs to get there, but you are also losing value from your hand. I hate your river bet sizing, i hate the turn check, but i am just a donkey.

Edit: I like to lead the turn here, because the club is a good "bluff" card and might allow carlos to make a move on you, if he does so this early in a mtt.

02-18-2009 , 06:31 PM

sketchy1

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def check turn, you can rep more mid-pair hands on the riv by checking as you'd never lead JJ or TT here on the turn imo.

def bet like 3k on riv.

02-18-2009 , 08:26 PM

kongo_totte

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MUD

2 scandis right behind me cold call as well

LOL

02-18-2009 , 11:29 PM

joejoe1337

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AGame18

Looks good, a little more on river might be better but in general I like to bet small for value esp. when playing live vs. live pros.

Do you not like to bet big vs live pros? They seem to find hero calls vs internet players easier

02-18-2009 , 11:59 PM

#10

Margin Of Error

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I'm betting like 3/4 pot here so 3500 or whatev.

I actually think you're more likely to get a fold here when your sizing is so small and obv. for value.

02-19-2009 , 12:34 AM

#11

Anders "Zerga"

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MUD

Pre-flop fold? River betsizing and does any1 bet turn?

DNA2RNA

Why aren't you raising the flop? Absolutely no chance of folding preflop. Check turn, bet river ~as you did.

02-19-2009 , 07:10 AM

#12

charder30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kongo_totte

LOL

QFLOL

02-19-2009 , 11:06 AM

#13

RandALLin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZJ123

QFLOL

QFLOL + 1 + a guy day 1 at my table 3bet/folded 5 times, and cold 4bet/folded twice, and bluffraised J53r 2.2x vs a guy who had 20 bb's to start the hand (Oh and folded to the shove obv).

As for the hand, I don't really know what else you could do, seems fine.

02-19-2009 , 12:52 PM

#14

kongo_totte

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Protential

Edit: I like to lead the turn here, because the club is a good "bluff" card and might allow carlos to make a move on you, if he does so this early in a mtt.

Being faced with action after I bet the turn is the last thing I want. Assuming he is making a move if he c/raises the turn would be bad IMHO. In fact, if he check-raises turn you'd have to fold. This is a minus for betting the turn. I still think it's close between checking and betting turn though.

02-19-2009 , 05:17 PM

#15

mucksandgravs

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your line looks good here...a bet of 3-4k on the river seems about right, i dunno if he's calling though, unless he's gonna try to be a hero

02-20-2009 , 05:28 AM

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Scary_Tiger

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Bet 3,000 on the turn, letting JcJh or AcQs get there is unacceptable.

Given you checked the turn, I still think 3,000 is a good bet size for the river. I really am not a fan of the bets that are so small that they're obviously for value, especially against thinking players.

02-20-2009 , 06:35 AM

#17

Bond18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sketchy1

def check turn, you can rep more mid-pair hands on the riv by checking as you'd never lead JJ or TT here on the turn imo.

def bet like 3k on riv.

Bingo. Whole line looks good we just need a bigger river bet.

02-20-2009 , 01:18 PM

#18

Margin Of Error

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Firing turn almost turns our hand into a bluff because were repping a huge hand at that point and his calling range is going to be pretty damn narrow imo.

We get sooooooooooooo much more value by putting in a large bet on river.

02-21-2009 , 01:34 AM

#19

chrismystero

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i like exactly as played, but bet 3k on river, like a few have said

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