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02-10-2010 , 08:35 PM

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Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,646

I have been very active, raising around 30% of my hands. Vilan is running around 21/19 over the last 40 hands. vilan hasnt 3bet me yet. Is this an easy call?

Full Tilt Poker Turbo $50K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t100 - 6 players - View hand 528644
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): t27025 M = 15.01
SB: t12955 M = 7.20
BB: t14998 M = 8.33
UTG: t18964 M = 10.54
MP: t10326 M = 5.74
CO: t9115 M = 5.06

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is BTN with 9

3 folds, Hero raises to t1600, SB raises to t12855 all in, 1 fold, Hero requests TIME,

02-10-2010 , 08:37 PM

marek_heinz

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I really hate raise/folding here...if you are afraid of that and his shoving range, then just shove

02-10-2010 , 08:42 PM

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Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marek_heinz

I really hate raise/folding here...if you are afraid of that and his shoving range, then just shove

Is shoving really good here though with the blinds on like 14BB and 18BB? Do you ship it here?

02-10-2010 , 08:48 PM

marek_heinz

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Shoving A9o from the button with 20bb eff or less with antes will be unexploitable against any range

02-10-2010 , 08:53 PM

ringosnuff

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Raise/folding and Raise/calling are both better than shoving. If villains are good they will be calling our shove with all dominated hands but will re-steal with worse if we raise. If you have something like KJo then shoving would be better.

As to whether you should r/f or r/c, you'd know best. It's hard to say reading the hand without observing the gameflow. In these spots just stove it and see if you have odds.

02-10-2010 , 09:40 PM

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Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,646

Yeah i just dont like shipping 20BB. raiseing seems so much better. shoving is unexploitable but not optimal imo. just with raising you get tough spots like this.

02-11-2010 , 05:00 AM

PokerThun

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Just directly shove, as played call as well

02-11-2010 , 05:41 AM

smokrokflock

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerThun

Just directly shove, as played call as well

assuming we are not balancing vs regs, raise call is > than open shove

02-11-2010 , 05:50 AM

Tightordie

adept

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i prefer directly shove here (18x eff.) as played unhappy call

02-11-2010 , 06:45 AM

#10

Steve Williams

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Seems like a good spot to induce IMO, def could catch JTs or some other ish.

02-11-2010 , 06:51 AM

#11

PokerThun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smokrokflock

assuming we are not balancing vs regs, raise call is > than open shove

Althought with 18bb eff I prefer open shoving in order to discourage action from smaller pairs, and I'm not sure whether SB will steal with hands that we are in good shape against, I agree that this being a turbo makes shove and raise call much closer imo

02-11-2010 , 06:54 AM

#12

PokerThun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Seems like a good spot to induce IMO, def could catch JTs or some other ish.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

82,190,592 games 0.140 secs 587,075,657 games/sec

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.718% 52.50% 00.22% 43150524 179112.00 { A9o }
Hand 1: 47.282% 47.06% 00.22% 38681844 179112.00 { JTs }

J10s is exactly the hands we want to avoid the resteal, since picking up blinds and antes uncontested this shallow is much better

02-11-2010 , 06:59 AM

#13

Steve Williams

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,738

Need >41.5% to call:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,171,172,544 games 3.423 secs 1,218,572,171 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.853% 41.25% 01.61% 1720506384 66981102.00 { A9o }
Hand 1: 57.147% 55.54% 01.61% 2316703956 66981102.00 { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }

Last edited by Steve Williams; 02-11-2010 at 06:59 AM. Reason: he might shove wider, this is a conservative range imo

02-11-2010 , 07:04 AM

#14

PokerThun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

I did not say we should fold A9 if we raise here. I 100% call if I raise in this spot. I just suggest that direct shoving is better than r/c in order to discourage action from K10s-KJs, OJo,OJs 22-44 , J10s, etc given the stacks are shallow

02-11-2010 , 07:11 AM

#15

Steve Williams

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I'm too lazy to work it out rn, but would be interested in some cEV #s for R/C vs shove.

02-11-2010 , 09:15 AM

#16

poker edge

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

With KTs+, JQo, KTo, J9s ect in this range and the call only being breakeven, doesnt that make this a fold? Because vilan wont always shoves those hands, so will probs have a tighter range, meaning we find a fold here?

02-11-2010 , 09:46 AM

#17

Mench

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,038

unexploitable does not mean its good.

and this is a call.

02-11-2010 , 10:26 AM

#18

marek_heinz

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Yeah, but unexploitable means its +EV and if you get into spot where villain reships a perfect range on you, its going to be better

02-11-2010 , 10:26 AM

#19

xxxlostinspace

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for sure

02-11-2010 , 10:34 AM

#20

Mr.Poker

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker edge

Do we not think that given the BB is still to act and we easily have the SB covered getting ~42% on the call, that this range a bit too wide?

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