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Early 2, facing a matador 4 bet shove Early 2, facing a matador 4 bet shove

02-22-2010 , 01:40 PM
I'd been 3 betting a fair amount. The only 2 he prob saw go to showdown was 88 & Q10. Had raised his BB once and folded to his 3 bet. Original raiser seemed to be playing fairly standard. Nothing I remember of importance. Should I be snapping due to image? I'm confuddled


Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t375 - 7 players
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Hero (BTN): t88190 M = 12.38
TheMatadorCC (SB): t122992 M = 17.26
Kroko-dill (BB): t51914 M = 7.29
D1rtyR1v3r (UTG): t91507 M = 12.84
KoningL (UTG+1): t41252 M = 5.79
nissebo (MP): t86477 M = 12.14
SpadeSkillz (CO): t146667 M = 20.58

Pre Flop: (t7125) Hero is BTN with 9 9
1 fold, KoningL raises to t6000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t14555, TheMatadorCC raises to t122617 all in,

Hero?
02-22-2010 , 01:55 PM
99+,AQs+,AQo+ is like the breakeven range, I'd expect him to shove wider than that, so I guess its a call
02-22-2010 , 01:56 PM
This is a fold, he knows you're never bluffing vs. the other guy's stack. If KoningL had a stack where you could be bluffing then I'd seriously consider calling this.
02-22-2010 , 02:06 PM
yea i agree with billy. i also think with 30bbs here id just ship since a 13bb stack opened, no real need to induce
02-22-2010 , 02:08 PM
Can someone analyze this from a range perspective? What do you think he is shoving here given OP's reads?
02-22-2010 , 02:22 PM
Snapfold even though Villain is a Donk.

Edit: also fold the first time.

Last edited by Todd Terry; 02-22-2010 at 02:29 PM.
02-22-2010 , 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
yea i agree with billy. i also think with 30bbs here id just ship since a 13bb stack opened, no real need to induce
I haven't 3-bet shoved at all. But I have 3-bet a fair amount. Surely I want to induce?
02-22-2010 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clunged
I haven't 3-bet shoved at all. But I have 3-bet a fair amount. Surely I want to induce?
induce from who? the guy has 13bbs, hes never folding, and if hes any good 99 is probably breakeven (or even losing) around his minraising range anyways since he would otherwise just shove


as far as ranges go, what is someone minraising with 13 bbs, then we have clunged who is 3betting only a value range here, id be pretty chocked if CD had any air in his range at all, and is probably around tt+ AK, and likely even tighter but im not familiar enough with his game to say
02-22-2010 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
induce from who? the guy has 13bbs, hes never folding, and if hes any good 99 is probably breakeven (or even losing) around his minraising range anyways since he would otherwise just shove
Ok, I understand. Thank you. I did fold, then doubted myself
02-23-2010 , 05:45 PM
Matadors M> His age
02-23-2010 , 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Terry

also fold the first time.
look at the opener's stack
02-23-2010 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocktheCasbah
look at the opener's stack
pretty sure that's precisely why he is advocating a fold
02-23-2010 , 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
pretty sure that's precisely why he is advocating a fold
i was addressing OP, i agree w TT
02-24-2010 , 03:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
yea i agree with billy. i also think with 30bbs here id just ship since a 13bb stack opened, no real need to induce
well since sb & bb can never bluff, you can hero fold vs cold 4b's given their nutty ranges. i doubt you fold out any better hands by shoving except maybe TT.
02-24-2010 , 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Snapfold even though Villain is a Donk.

Edit: also fold the first time.

no u

Last edited by clunged; 02-24-2010 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Seriously, you fold here?
02-24-2010 , 11:58 AM
Never ever folding the first time. People do bluff here, and he can even be inducing with smaller pairs occasionally.
02-24-2010 , 04:48 PM
cd is light here 0% of time, just fold

edit: im assuming that the original minraiser folded
02-24-2010 , 05:07 PM
put him on AK and timebank call
02-25-2010 , 04:17 AM
todd were u serious about folding to the first raise?

fold now tho
02-25-2010 , 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramerica
todd were u serious about folding to the first raise?

fold now tho
99 is def close for 3betcalling. 88 is a snapfold of course.
02-25-2010 , 08:46 AM
i think this is a close fold
02-25-2010 , 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isuxatpokerbad
cd is light here 0% of time, just fold

edit: im assuming that the original minraiser folded
Yeah, original raiser folded
02-25-2010 , 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by busto_soon
99 is def close for 3betcalling. 88 is a snapfold of course.
how is 99 close? the guy could totally fold to our 3 bet and he can shove worse... i don't see how it's close at all for less than half our stack, seems like an insta-cram.

      
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