If this needs to be moved to SSMTT go for it, but felt I'd get better advice here.
Full Tilt Poker $40,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 44714
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UTG+2: t3210 M = 71.33
MP1: t3115 M = 69.22
MP2: t2585 M = 57.44
CO: t3325 M = 73.89
BTN: t2715 M = 60.33
Hero (SB): t3000 M = 66.67
BB: t2910 M = 64.67
UTG: t3540 M = 78.67
UTG+1: t2600 M = 57.78

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t90, 2 folds, MP2 calls t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t75, BB calls t60

Flop: (t360) 5 8 4 (4 players)
Hero bets t205, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t205

Turn: (t770) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t450, Hero requests TIME


Really dumb spot. I don't really know where I'm at here and really confused on what the best turn line is...?


What is an appropriate range here?

Why did you lead flop? What's your plan there?

Probably for a b3b.

As played, call-call seems optimal.

Could be wrong tho. There are some dodgy rivers.

Because I hate c/r'ing and I hate c/c'ing.

Is that bad? If so, why do you think so.

Is this just a trivially easy c/r; c/rai or something and I'm just that lost?

wow i've never seen a hand posted while i'm currently sitting at this exact table that's kinda cool

I usually c/c the flop here and take a pretty passive line. As played, I think I call here. He raises the flop with sets and probably fires here if he floated with overs/fd type hands. Reeval river.

remember that you get your buy-in back if you knock him out, pretty important imo.

The HH is doctored.

I'm really a big lagtard

No your lead is absolutely fine although I'd make it a bit more. You are almost never going to win this pot if you check.

Would it be better to lead twice? Can QQ-AA really stand heat on this board with 2 leads, the first of which was into the rest of the table? Chking on turn just seems like hey i got decent hand but now I need pot control HU and I'm not too strong...just my thoughts.

id c/r, i would think michael craig is not the type to slowroll and he most likely has worse

yeah vs red pros you can't actually fold anything ever.

I've played with him a handful in the past and he didn't see anything really off the wall from him... I know he like to see flops, though.

bump for some more reasponses

Leading is fine but yeah I'd make it a bit bigger. I think you can bet turn as played. Other line is to c/c. Whoever said bet 3/bet has suicidal tendencies.

As played I probably flat the turn bet and reval river.

If you c/c the turn, the river is a brick, you check and he ships you are gonna be getting over 3:1 effective ($ + tshirt) so you're pretty much always calling.

these hands are never folding

i don't think i'd ever expect michael craig to have JJ beat here unless he has TT or 67.

i'd def just bet the turn and bet most rivs.

as played check-call is fine both on turn and riv at this point.

michael craig is also theeee worst fwiw

When I first started playing w/ him I didn't think much of his game, but I had a few people tell me he was really solid, etc (and I OPR'd him and it was good). So then I guess my image of him was wrong b/c of this.


So I guess concensus is folding turn is bad. We need to at least be calling here cause MC is a clown?

Trying to stop spewing.

lol

You'll probably have to call OTR.

Bingo.

And so, I folded.

You probably have to call because of the t-shirt and the bounty not because he is bluffing that often. I really dont think I'd ever fold an overpair vs a pro here

If he can have 67 he can also have 44/88/55, 45,. T8 etc.
Idk how Michael Craig plays but it seems like if c/c turn is good it is because his range is weighted very heavily to draws. If that is the case you should c/c turn and c/c blank rivers, but if it's not the case turn is prob a c/f. Unless he is terrible enough to bet like 87s here.

Betting turn is way better than checking. He has a lot of hands that are worse than a pair of jacks that will always call a bet but will check back most of the time.