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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji
1) Hopefully SB or BB will squeeze if they are aggro
w/o a read on SB/BB, I wouldn't expect randoms to go wild their stacksizes there. A counterargument here is that we don't want SB/BB messing around with 22-99 type hands. We want max fold equity against these hand-types, which is attained by 3betting.
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2) UTG+1 who has 20 bbs is usually pretty tight so you are going to get 3 bet shoved on by most of his open range (and usually you are behind but obv you have to call).
I think you meant 4bet shoved on, right? Anyways I agree that his range is usually tight. However, when he does get allin after we 3bet, we are not at all in bad shape vs his range.
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2b) UTG+1 who has 20 bbs is usually pretty tight so he is not folding to your raise.
Well its not like he's open folding AQ, pairs less than nines most of the time. Don't forget that we are still way ahead of his opening range and we are still making better hands (pairs) fold a bunch here.
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2c) when he does smooth calls you he is stop and going pretty much every time... are you calling a flop shove on a 28Tr board?
When he flats our 3b OOP and shoves flop, I am snapcalling like 90% of flops and I think any other plan is really bad.
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3) I am stabbing at pretty much every flop against a random if I flat his 6k pf and he checks to me. There is no opportunity for this in a reraised pot.
Well we get a shot at fold equity sometimes when we flat and he checks flop. But when this happens, we are way ahead anyways alot so our flop stab isn't folding better hands too often.
Anyways I just felt like playing devils advocate a little bit.
I agree with Fiji's general ideas, but I slightly prefer calling. 3betting is very fine and theres likely not too much of a difference in a vacuum. That difference is always based on reads/table flow.