PokerStars Game #50916171249: Tournament #334020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (7500/15000) - 2010/10/10 22:36:24 ET
Table '334020010 546' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: danger0us (429922 in chips)
Seat 2: glissario (507064 in chips)
Seat 3: chipdonky247 (209779 in chips)
Seat 4: JHM Dijk (358334 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (698568 in chips)
Seat 7: Maxxx72alba (501989 in chips)
Seat 8: ceix (182172 in chips)
Seat 9: Schildy1984 (865660 in chips)
danger0us: posts the ante 1500
glissario: posts the ante 1500
chipdonky247: posts the ante 1500
JHM Dijk: posts the ante 1500
BetzPH: posts the ante 1500
Maxxx72alba: posts the ante 1500
ceix: posts the ante 1500
Schildy1984: posts the ante 1500
Hero: posts small blind 7500
Maxxx72alba: posts big blind 15000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [5h5c]
ceix: folds
Schildy1984: folds
danger0us: folds
glissario: folds
chipdonky247: folds
JHM Dijk: raises 18360 to 33360
Hero: ?

No reads on the villain he's only been at the table 15 hands.

My thought process is that folding is weak because he can easily r/f and leave himself >20BB. Shoving is fine but R/C is better because it allows us to get away if the BB wakes up with something.
wug?

I'm not r/c 55 in that spot tbh ever, its a shove or fold and I err on the side of fold without any reads (as posted)

r/c is the same as shove except we get to fold when the BB wakes up with a hand. the guy isn't folding any more hands to a shove than he is to a 3bet

107000/call

do we really want the button 4 bet jamming J10ss with some perceived fold equity?

think if u make it 3x, 23 effective he wont think he has any+ it will make ur lange look stronger than if u 4x or woteva

this was my thought

I disagree that r/c is exactly the same as shove without reads, as donks can flat sometimes with hands they might fold, and it may induce lighter 4bet jams with hands like 66-88 (from either player) that might find folds to a 3bet AI. I'm also not confident that our 55 will be any good against a 4bet AI range from BTN, anyway. We set up a situation where we have to call and are best flipping for >1/2 our stack.

if r/c or r/f are best options then really we might as well set our stack on fire.

EASY ALLIN RAM PRE TO 555555
like this a lot better than 3 bet call since button might flat or some gay ****

is this HH missing something or is it just me? something with the antes or actual positioning?

If BB has less or if we're BB I'd shove all day and twice on sunday, but with pretty much exactly these stacksizes I might actually just close my eyes and fold this, or call and play a flop against someone really straightforward.

yep like I said r/c or r/f just create a bunch of problems that if we're going to continue we might as well go all in.