New table with 21ish to go in the ftp 1k

Full Tilt Poker $1K Monday No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t200 - 7 players
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UTG+1: t49999
MP: t27864
CO: t36087
BTN: t114077
SB: t45313
BB: t63344
Hero (UTG): t96487

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero calls t1600, UTG+1 raises to t4800, 5 folds, Hero calls t3200

Flop: (t13400) Q 4 T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t8000, Hero calls t8000

Turn: (t29400) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t36999 all in, Hero calls t36999

River: (t103398) 4

I've been openlimping in EP a lot more with 20ish bb stacks maybe a tad more with good results. I def think you can play more hands with those stacks if you are limping instead of raising.

With deeper stacks I'm experimenting with this a bit. A lot of spots are image dependent (tight open aggro fold)... is there a gray area where limping is the best?

The rest of the hand is blah but I had top pair good kicker so I called! Not sure whether I'd be more afraid of a jam or a "scary looking" committing bet, thoughts?

i think you def have to know villain first, just if he's more tag or lag b/c against a tag player it cant be +ev imo, er, not as much as lag? alkdfj nh

On its face, this looks absolutely terrible

When he bombs the turn I think you need to give him credit and shut it down. You've limp/called UTG and chk/cld a dryish flop which looks pretty strong. I personally wouldn't be shoving this turn if I'm villain into this action without at least AQ. (not saying i'd always shove that hand there)
I think it's very very very rare we're ahead here.

7 handed limp calling with antes-and calling huge bets with a pair second kicker on a dry board sux-you played this like 3$ plyrs lol

yea limp calling in this spot is pretty bad but I dont play $1k online events. maybe OP knows something we dont.

There's really no need to make a comment like this. If you think he played it badly, tell him why but don't insult him.

RE: the hand... I really hate the limp here. I obviously usually have no problem with open limping in some spots, but you have a hand that doesn't really play well out of position(what hand does?) and if anyone comes into the pot behind you with a raise or even limping, you're going to be in some extremely awkward spots. Also, your hand is certainly strong enough to open raise UTG.

I know you are experimenting, but shouldn't your experimenting be tried and tested in the smaller tournaments and once they are proven, then you can bring them into the high stakes stuff?

As for the rest of the hand, it's hard to say without reads, but I think the call on the turn is a bit suspect. As was mentioned in a previous reply, our hand looks quite strong here and a thinking player probably isn't bombing without having us beat.

Gavin

I like to open limp and I like to do it late in tournaments against good players. However, you need to follow it up correctly. Here, you have a hand where you can't make TPTK, much less a flush, straight, or set. If you limp and the pot is limped, then your pair is probably good, and you can often take the pot with a bluff.

When UTG+1 raises you, I think this is an easy fold. I would also be suspicious that the small raise could be a big pair. although it could also be an isolation play or someone who doesn't know how much to raise. You found out what you wanted to find out. You maybe saved a lot of chips that you would have lost if you raised. If villain reraises, you obviously lose more than limp/folding. If he flat calls with QQ-AA, AK/AQ or a pp, you could get stacked.

In general though, I don't think this is a good hand to limp. I might open fold it UTG early in the tournament. At this stage, I probably raise it and fold to a reraise and proceed cautiously if flat called.

When you limp this hand, you usually have to fold it to a raise. If villain was OTB, I might think he had a weak hand and limpcall or limpreraise. If there were a couple more limpers and someone raised, I might put him on a steal and reraise.

If you limp, you have to limp/call sometimes, but I would limp/call hands with speculative value and occasionally big hands, and I wouldn't be inclined to call an early position raise.

raise it pre dan!

Yea thinking about it more I guess just raise pre but it's not nearly as bad as some of you are making it out to be. Granted I play way more cash these days but I think you are underestimating how wide people Iso against limpers.

If he made it a bit more I'd have folded. I thought pre given that I'd only be facing two bets I can make the call, and get stubborn if I hit top pair.

I'm still gonna open limp a lot with 20bb here, HA!

people do not iso utg limpers very wide at all.

Agreed. Fold turn and maybe pre. I don't think preflop is terrible, but I would need to see table conditions and stuff.

espec to only 3x

and utg+1

ya his range is pretty polarized here with his utg 1 range, but i still think u can make the call pf hoping to flop 2 pr, or pr wtih a draw ... as played i folding on the flop is ok, but dont absoletly hate a call with backdoor str8 ... folding turn is no brainer tho i think

I agree with both of these, and I seriously think the 3X raise is a pretty big tell he wants action with a strong hand. I would either raise pre to begin with and if I got to the turn I would fold.

These seem to be two contradicting statements.