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10-15-2009 , 09:16 PM

#26

CaliStyle

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Raise and re-raise and you don't even have to invest anymore chips into the pot, I am folding. Let the other two battle it out at this point. Unless you see they are 3-betting very light then what hand ranges are you beating here?

Also with 3200 chips and 825 committed Helen Keller is not folding. She cannot see or hear what is going on and will still snap call you with at best for you a coin-flip.

10-15-2009 , 09:19 PM

#27

CaliStyle

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Don't forget there is another person in the hand as well who could be holding a big hand as well. If the original raiser is also a somewhat tight raiser this is even less of a reason to call here as a tight raiser got three bet. Fold this hand and find a better spot.

10-15-2009 , 09:30 PM

#28

drukole34

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Seems standard.

-2 to CaliStyle.

10-15-2009 , 09:55 PM

#29

djkelly69

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why do so many "regs" have such obv bet-sizing tells?

and Koko, NSB = NeverScaredB, well known lag.

10-15-2009 , 10:23 PM

#30

berkeleytom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliStyle

Raise and re-raise and you don't even have to invest anymore chips into the pot, I am folding. Let the other two battle it out at this point. Unless you see they are 3-betting very light then what hand ranges are you beating here?

Also with 3200 chips and 825 committed Helen Keller is not folding. She cannot see or hear what is going on and will still snap call you with at best for you a coin-flip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliStyle

Don't forget there is another person in the hand as well who could be holding a big hand as well. If the original raiser is also a somewhat tight raiser this is even less of a reason to call here as a tight raiser got three bet. Fold this hand and find a better spot.

[ ] 2 other ppl in the pot
[x] OP is the other person in the pot
[x] Helen Keller cannot see or hear what is going on
[x] Helen Keller haz AA
[x] snap call for Helen Keller
[ ] fold AK here

Last edited by berkeleytom; 10-15-2009 at 10:24 PM. Reason: [x]

10-17-2009 , 11:38 AM

#31

jon_midas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DFish

to those who are saying it's standard to get it in here, what 3b range are you assigning to bb with that sizing at this blind level, i assume you must think villain is light for shoving here to be good, because if he is not restealing ever, then this is a pretty ez fold actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by J0hnny_Dr@m@

no particular reads on villain but i think he s a reg and i am TAG

PokerStars Game #33922070228: Tournament #200030857, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/10/12 0:47:31 WET [2009/10/11 19:47:31 ET]
Table '200030857 75' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: itoc25 (1765 in chips)
Seat 2: C13Greentumb (3460 in chips)
Seat 3: Percussion (1750 in chips)
Seat 4: He1en ke11er (3195 in chips)
Seat 5: AJKHoosier1 (3920 in chips)
Seat 6: pastika (2720 in chips)
Seat 7: J0hnny_Dr@m@ (3880 in chips)
Seat 8: xideRmanchi (3055 in chips)
Seat 9: BKiCe (3265 in chips)
Percussion: posts small blind 50
He1en ke11er: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to J0hnny_Dr@m@ [Ad Kc]
AJKHoosier1: folds
pastika: folds
J0hnny_Dr@m@: raises 200 to 300
xideRmanchi: folds
BKiCe: folds
itoc25: folds
C13Greentumb: folds
Percussion: folds
He1en ke11er: raises 525 to 825
J0hnny_Dr@m@: raises 3055 to 3880 and is all-in
He1en ke11er: calls 2370 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (685) returned to J0hnny_Dr@m@
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7h 5h]
*** TURN *** [Kh 7h 5h] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 7h 5h 5c] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
He1en ke11er: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
J0hnny_Dr@m@: shows [Ad Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fives)

yeah if hes a reg and views you as tag, his 3bet range to your utg+2 open at these stacks is prob QQ+ AK, so i guess that makes it a fold during analysis, but in real time i prob just slide to the right and click

10-17-2009 , 11:40 AM

#32

jon_midas

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and oh yeah he has AA so fold

10-17-2009 , 02:38 PM

#33

FatsoFat6969

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I mean come on.. This is such an obvious ship unless the guy is a huge nit (he's not) folding or calling makes baby jesus cry.. obv just a cooler.. For u who fold we waiting for kk+ to get it in? If we had 50 or more bbs there can be other more optimal lines but 30bbs with ak I can't fold here

10-17-2009 , 03:40 PM

#34

Awnline

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pushing AK here is an error imo, unless you like flipping most of the time

10-17-2009 , 04:48 PM

#35

jigglypuffz

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we cant ship because he has AA
we can flat because we will flop a K and lose to his AA
we have to fold

10-19-2009 , 01:13 PM

#36

Koko the munkey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Awnline

pushing AK here is an error imo, unless you like flipping most of the time

You are almost always flipping with AK unless you can get the money in the middle vs. AQ.

Isn't that why we play AK?

I'm still waiting for someone who is advocating a fold to post a good reason why.

10-19-2009 , 01:47 PM

#37

DFish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

You are almost always flipping with AK unless you can get the money in the middle vs. AQ.

Isn't that why we play AK?

I'm still waiting for someone who is advocating a fold to post a good reason why.

This is certainly the reason AK is a strong hand in tournament poker, because it can safely be played aggressively because it is so unlikely to be dominated, but we also combine that with the fact that we have fold equity, which makes the hand quite profitable in most situations.
In this spot, however, we are basically calling off our stack vs a supertight range with very little dead money in the pot, because villain is never folding barring a misclick.