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Villain: Young, Eastern Euro. In one of the first hands he played at the table, he 4-bet shoved QJ against CL's 3-bet and won (sucked out on AK of the CL). Since then been pretty quiet for the last hour or so not very aggro, despite his stack.
Hero: me, middle-age random, nitty image. Stealing a bit here and there, winning small pots nothing of note.

The Hand
250/500/50
Folds to Villain (90K) in SB, he completes, I (27K) looked down at 46 and tap the table.

Flop (1400) A67
Villain quickly bets 1200, I think for like 15secs and then make it 2800.
He thinks for 20secs, then calls.

Turn (7K) 3
He checks within 5 seconds, I think for 10secs and then bet 5000.
he thinks for 20 seconds, then calls

River (19K) 9
He checks within 5 seconds, I (with about PSB/~19K left) ??

well by raising flop and betting turn u are obv turning your hand into a bluff so u might as well jam river...his range looks Ax heavy and i could see him laying it down otr... nevertheless i would probably take a more straightforward approach and just call flop

as played jam river.

just call flop usually tho

Seems ok with your image

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like something bad happened on the river and you're kicking yourself for it (like you shipped and he snapped you off with the nuts... or you checked and he had J6o or something)... that said, considering your line, shipping seems fine (and probably most standard) but nothing says you can't just give up if you think villain isn't folding. So, if your read in the moment is that he's calling a ship on the river, it's not bad to just shut down... you made a move & it didn't work... that happens.

As other posters said, though, I would probably just call flop, which makes the hand less tricky.

my thoughts exactly. not really into raising the flop

if you are raising this flop..i think you are obligated to now barrel it off on this kind of run out with your image..if people actually pay attention to that sorta thing these days.

Hello, China? I have something you might want. But it's going to cost you.

i think betting 13k-14k has more FE than shipping

that said, i dont like the idea of getting involved here with an agg/loose villian who has 3x ur stack.

i'd fold flop

i dont understand at all...
- he bets flop (anything from two random red cards, to bare K/Q/J of clubs, to 8x, 6x, to )
- we raise flop (bottom pair and 4 high fd) well our pair is good like most of the time and J/Q/K of clubs will call -
- he calls- now he has either 1 or 2 clubs (he never has an ace, he'd not limp and he would not feel good calling with just middle pair against an older player)
- we bet turn (well we are doing a lot of betting, is this a bluff or a value bet? if a bluff what do we expect to fold 53 of clubs? if a value bet, then what is calling bare 8x? nah - betting turn = bad )

now we get to the river with our pair, we have the fastest check back in the history of poker
- his line is consistent with t9 of clubs, or JT or clubs
- he will call any normal bet with that

or we can bluff and try to get qx cc or jx cc to fold (good luck against random russian)

he will never call river with just a pair (if he gets to the turn with one)

either way - pair of sixes worst hand we can possibly have here

don't mind the flop raise, close b/w chk and bet ott, but betting is fine and leads to V's further chk otr.

I can't see the point in betting r tho? i believe you have some decent sdv too, given the str & flush draws in his range

if...

1. V has 7x...he will hero call your river jam, guessing (correctly) that you have xc/? and that his 7 is in front of 50% of your range, making any call profitable
2. V has Ax...it's not even a hero call. he's ahead of >50% of your range.
3. V has xc/? but no pair, you win regardless of whether you jam or check behind.

in short, he's not likely to fold anything other than 6x and that's not enough reason to jam.

certainly don't mind the play up to the r though. you've given yourself every chance to win this pot.

give up river, he's only folding hands like Ax4c Tc9x.. he never folds 76 or better

Why not fold to the psb OTF?

well, my thinking would be (and pls critique):

1. Hero has checked behind pre.
2. V would have Hero's range as random/weak with a <50% chance of holding a club and even less likely holding Kc or Qc.
3. V (large stack) is therefore likely to fire with a very wide range here and would expect to collect most pots uncontested.
4. Hero is actually holding a hand towards the top of V's perceived range and should raise accordingly

Calling flop > raising

You thought you were ahead so you decided to 3-barrel bluff?

OP <> Me

Discussing whether first raise valid, not tbb.

I had no illusions I was ahead. However the flop was wet enough that I thought I could take it away in later streets with position.

It was a very nice turn to continue barreling (since I could rep the str8 in addition to the 2 pair) and the villain checking turn was clear indication that he was either pot controlling w 1pair or trying to catch the flush.

So, when we get to the brick river, I thought it became a should read situation...if he he is gonna call me down w 1 pair or not.


For all those saying calling is better.. How so?
Aren't we just hoping he gives up on the turn? A competent deep stacked villain is going to fire another barrel on a brick. Don't we end up folding a lootttt not the turn?

If you call because you think you are ahead on the flop and turn bricks, why would he firing or not change the fact that you are ahead?

Why would you have to give up the turn if he fires? Unless you mean that you are folding a lot to a 3 barrel?

your hand has too much equity to start bluffing with it. if you are scared of his sizing on the flop just fold. raising flop seems like the worst of the 3 options

You sound like you're better than most everyone that posts here. Nice hand, ship the river.

Also, this might be the actual first time that I remember where I disagree with busto_soon advice

Check back river? We have the best hand a decent amount of time still. Doesn't seem like he'll fold much with 90k stack and a psb left.