Full Tilt Poker $65,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t150 - 9 players - View hand 44863
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CO: t52019 M = 16.51
Hero (BTN): t63181 M = 20.06
SB: t34507 M = 10.95
BB: t41429 M = 13.15
UTG: t11528 M = 3.66
UTG+1: t39066 M = 12.40
UTG+2: t29609 M = 9.40
MP1: t15831 M = 5.03
MP2: t33650 M = 10.68

Pre Flop: (t3150) Hero is BTN with J A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t2800, 3 folds, CO calls t2800, Hero calls t2800, 2 folds

Flop: (t11550) 5 A K (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets t7200, UTG+1 calls t7200, CO folds

Turn: (t25950) T (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero requests TIME... (29K behind)

UTG+1 I've never seen before but he seems very laggy. I haven't seen him get involved in any big pots postflop so I don't have any info on what he might have, other than what I could gather from the action. CO is terrible.

I was betting the flop to get value from the fish and I was surprised when UTG+1 called. His check-call on this board scared me a little but I thought if he had AK or a set he might donk the turn rather than give me a free card, unless he had exactly KK with the king of diamonds. I thought it was more likely that he had a marginal hand like KQ/KJ or a weak ace.

What do you do here? I haven't been this stumped on a tournament hand in awhile.

this just screams Ax to me a whole lot he thinks he has to basically play bluffcatcher bc his hand isnt strong enough to build a big pot so i prob check behind turn and call a like half pot bet on riv fold to a shove and if he checks shove for value? idk the river would be weird maybe check behind both streets bc i think river would be super thin

Wow...super tough spot. You'd think on that board he'd bet an Ax type hand instead of checking and watch a terrible turn card come off. You're either Way ahead against a weak A or crushed. My 1st instinct was to check back on turn but I like shove better. I don't think he takes this line with a set or AQ or A10 and it would be a shame to see a diamond come on river so shove and win the pot the majority of the time and maybe even get called and be ahead. If you check back there's a lot of turn cards that will kill action against Ax hands and you're probably going to have to a call a decent size bet if he leads on nonthreatening river.

I would be checking behind, and prob check-calling a river bet if he is laggy as you say. Not sure I would call shove on river, but I would be wanting to keep it as cheap as possible from now on and probably not bet the river if checked too.

No idea, I've changed my mind on what to do here four times since reading this yesterday, Geoff and dudeoflife's posts sum up the issues well.

check behind flop...makes this hand 100x easier

I'd either shove or bet enough to commit on the turn. He just doesn't take this line with hands that beat you very much. You're ahead on the turn too often to give a free card when so many rivers make life suck for you either by killing your action or putting you in a ****ty spot when he leads.

somewhat this.

on one hand ur only behind AQ on the flop once he checks, especially since u said he is playing very laggy. not betting AK, KK, AA, 55 would be foolish with his image. on the other hand the only hands that ur getting multiple streets of value from have loads of equity against u (Kdxd, gutshots +FDs...but i would kinda expect him to bet those on the flop as well).

im not sure if i like a turn shove for value, i kinda like it as a bluff to fold out exactly AQ.

pretty sick spot, i think i check back turn and fold to a river bet.

I just check behind and call something reasonable on river.

agree with Universe. chk flop is best. as is, chk turn and river depends on timing/bet sizing from him.

Agreed.

If someone put a gun to my head and told me to check the flop I'd still consider betting, you guys really want to check here?

1. We have the best hand most of the time.
2. Our range for betting the flop here after 2 checks is very wide, can easily get called by worse, especially by the fish.
3. There are 2 other players in the pot with two broadway cards and a flush draw on board so giving a free card is very risky and/or can kill our action.

how would you feel against a CR?

i bet flop with AK, set, or air. everything else i think is a chk!

Universe I think you're the best but do you really check in a 3-way pot when at least one of the villains is a huge fish who will definitely pay off with worse? I can totally see checking in a HU pot vs the preflop raiser.

Also I know it's two unknowns and balance doesn't matter blah blah blah but having a value range of exactly 55 to bet this flop just seems crazy.