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06-19-2010 , 02:28 AM

jordankickz

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,912

Folds to Alex "Assassinato" Fitzgerald in the sb he raises to 450 at 75/150 I call KQo with 15k stacks

Flop KT9r he checks I bet 550 he calls. Turn Tc putting up 2 clubs he checks, check or bet? I checked, river offsuit 7 he leads 1600

Alex hasn't been at the table too long and we haven't played any hands together yet but have played together plenty online over the years. He probably views me as being tight in general but capable of doing some silly things. I don't have any specific reads on him I think he's a little on the looser side but nothing crazy and plays and hand reads well.

06-19-2010 , 02:51 AM

freehat

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Bet the turn, call river.

06-19-2010 , 03:08 AM

Doorbread

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Play the same and fold river. Hard for him to have something that he'd want to turn into a bluff on this board run out and you have the toppest pair a lot in his mind.

06-19-2010 , 03:16 AM

NeverScaredB

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Check turn, river I guess I call because of lol game theory stuff, I think he's too good to fold a hand that's the top of our turn checking range but I might be wrong.

06-19-2010 , 03:57 AM

Todd Terry

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Fold, maybe even thank him for saving you the chips you would have used value-betting the river.

06-19-2010 , 07:01 AM

prolax13

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hey bru,

you know it's fine as played.

06-19-2010 , 01:48 PM

Luisgallo

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Wouldn't he bet turn with a straight or trips if he thinks hero is in check calling mode with TP?

06-19-2010 , 02:15 PM

Doorbread

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were in position

06-19-2010 , 02:18 PM

Luisgallo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doorbread

were in position

ah ok, it was BvB.
yes, fold.

06-22-2010 , 04:06 PM

#10

jordankickz

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,912

bump cause some good players have told me this is definitely a fold and others definitely a call so would like some more input

06-22-2010 , 04:13 PM

#11

prolax13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prolax13

hey bru,

you know it's fine as played.

06-22-2010 , 04:15 PM

#12

Todd Terry

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jordankickz

bump cause some good players have told me this is definitely a fold and others definitely a call so would like some more input

Just downgrade the latter group in your rankings.

06-22-2010 , 04:19 PM

#13

prolax13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Terry

Just downgrade the latter group in your rankings.

06-22-2010 , 04:54 PM

#14

jordankickz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Terry

Just downgrade the latter group in your rankings.

12:04:04 AM Shawn Busse: i check river 7 fd bricks
12:04:07 AM Shawn Busse: he bets 1600
12:04:12 AM Mement Mori: call
12:04:19 AM Mement Mori: meh
12:04:30 AM Mement Mori: kinda lame but dont think you can fold

Mickey is always #1 in my rankings

06-22-2010 , 04:56 PM

#15

Todd Terry

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Who was that in the Rio hallway agreeing with me about the hand btw?

06-22-2010 , 04:59 PM

#16

jordankickz

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Wasn't it just pudge and holdplz there?

06-22-2010 , 05:51 PM

#17

prolax13

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how can we not fold? villain has 10x or is turning 9x into a bluff (which is pretty unlikely i think), or played some other value hand in a weird way. value range may or may not contain KJ, i'm sure hes capable of potting his whole value range but i feel like he just wont be all the time, and it's probably strength based here.

As Todd said (was in me in the hallway), this is 10x nearly every single time.

06-22-2010 , 05:52 PM

#18

Chimp__greg

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+fold

06-22-2010 , 06:44 PM

#19

Dana Gordon

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call

06-22-2010 , 06:59 PM

#20

prolax13

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why

06-22-2010 , 07:22 PM

#21

Eagles

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Call, he can have worse kings.
I'm not happy calling though.

06-22-2010 , 07:51 PM

#22

Clayton

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagles

Call, he can have worse kings.

betting 1600? disagree

if we win its cuz he has an airball, hes capable of it but idk if this spot warrants it

06-22-2010 , 08:26 PM

#23

prolax13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagles

Call, he can have worse kings.
I'm not happy calling though.

yeah disagree with worse kings with sizing

06-22-2010 , 09:36 PM

#24

Alex Wice

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,952

Lol if its actually true that SB could have Kx on the river but after the bet he can't because of the bet sizing of 80% pot, as if 80% pot is some ridic overbet that makes him super polarized to trips or airballs. For christ sake, I might pot the river with A9 for value.

06-22-2010 , 10:09 PM

#25

T_Mac

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,939

fold Tx or J8 is good

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